Thank you. I didn’t really understand what I did to warrant a ban.

I’m old enough to remember George W. Bush arguing in favor of invading Iraq going “They’re violating 17 UN resolutions!” and the reaction from sane people was “Yeah? And Israel is violating 80? 90? We going to invade Israel too?”> Okay, but also not analogous. Bush used this as justification for invading another country that didn’t pose a threat to the US.

Where Squid went off was the whole “UN doing nothing” thing. It’s pretty clear to me you MEANT nothing about 1701, but they are doing a lot of good humanitatarian work on the ground, you know, when Israel isn’t SHOOTING AT THEM.> I’m sure they are. They’re just not doing what they’re supposed to be doing with respect to 1701, and their failure to do so poses an existential threat to Israel. I’m sure you’re aware that in recent days the IDF has uncovered both Hezbollah plans to carry out a 10/7-style attack but on a larger scale, and multiple instances of Hezbollah operating from positions within very close proximity to UNIFIL positions. Kinds looks like UNIFIL has basically been providing cover for Hezbollah.

And you know full well that the Lebanese are controlled by Hezbollah. Unless they want to plunge the country into another devastating civil war, they’re not going to challenge Hezbollah.

Really? Does every country have this “right”? Or just Israel? Cause it sounds to me like you granted all of Israel’s enemies the right to go to war against Israel.> Do I really have to walk you through this? Israel has the right to go to war because it was attacked first and has lived with genocidal enemies on its borders for decades.

The responsibility of the consequences of a bullet being fired or a bomb being dropped rests with the person who pulls the trigger. This is true even when those actions are justified. Israel still has agency, and therefore moral responsibility. Nothing you said even brings to refute this.> None of those deaths would have happened if not for the attack on 10/7 that started the war. While the proximal responsibility lies with the people who pull the trigger, the moral responsibility ultimately lies with the organization that carried out the attack knowing full well that Israel would respond and civilians would die.

Says the guy trying so hard to justify the murder of children lol. Just a few thousand more bruh, that’ll make Israel safe.> Deaths that occur during military actions are not murder. That’s why the concept of collateral damage was articulated. This is basic stuff here.

Your movement is defined not by your words by the actions taken in its name. The moral bankruptcy of those actions speaks for itself .> Actions are being taken to defend the existence of the Jewish homeland, and any other nation would do the same. I’m sorry you find the idea of Jews defending themselves from annihilation “morally bankrupt.”

This is hilarious. I have to provide evidence for what literally everyone knows is happening in the world right now? Okay, here we go. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-strikes-lebanon-after-hezbollah-hits-shebaa-farms-2023-10-08/ https://abcnews.go.com/International/hezbollah-rocket-attacks-northern-israel-spark-fires-destroy/story?id=111593691 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/13/isarel-military-lebanon-south-hezbollah-war/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-peacekeepers-confirm-existence-of-tunnel-from-lebanon-into-israel/ (This is a good one. UNIFIL found a tunnel from Lebanon into Israel back in 2018 and said, “We’ll speak to the Lebanese authorities about it.” Well done.)

No, the creation of Israel was an act of the UN. The UK had promised to help establish both Jewish and Arab homelands in the region. When the UK turned on the Jews and started restricting immigration, in the midst of the Holocaust, that’s when the Zionist militias fought back against the UK. Israel was actually created in spite of the UK, not because of it.

And there was no foreign invader. The Ottoman Empire, which controlled Palestine for hundreds of years, was a foreign invader. They lost control of the land in WWI and Britain took temporary control. Jews didn’t invade anything. They literally purchased land and moved in, like immigrants do. They had to establish a militia to protect themselves from Arab aggression.

Do you know how many countries in the world have been established through partition plans and political agreements? Why is that not good enough for the Palestinians?

Every citizen of Israel participates in government, Arabs included. To repeat: Palestinians aren’t citizens of Israel. The people of Gaza elected Hamas as their government, remember? Why should they have their own territory with their own government but also benefit from Israeli citizenship?

“You clearly are a supporter of the geonicide, the settlements, the throwing Palestinians out of their homes, burning their fields, killing, raping, spitting on them as they walk the street below in jerseleum, and the myriad of crimes isrealis commit daily.”

Pretty childish, which is typical of Palestinian activists. You know you don’t have the facts on your side so you resort to rhetoric, strawman arguments, and ad hominem attacks.

And that shows just how little you understand about this conflict.

I know where you’re headed with this so I’m just cutting it off now before we argue about your claims about what Israel is doing.

The evidence is the fact that the UN has been stationed in southern Lebanon since 2006 and in that time Hezbollah has established bases all across the region, which is in direct violation of UN Resolution 1701, and now the IDF is coming across those bases and weapons caches within spitting distance of UN watchtowers. And even after Hezbollah declared war on Israel by launching rockets into Israel starting on Oct 8, 2023, those same UN peacekeepers have done nothing to stop them and have tried to prevent Israel from retaliating.

So although it was a rhetorical question, it really wasn’t.

You should use that network to look up “rhetorical question”

They want them out because they don’t want them caught in the crossfire. They serve no purpose there, so might as well GTFO before they get killed.

This is almost entirely false.

1. Jews have always lived in Palestine, for thousands of years. Jews and Arabs are both indigenous to the region. Jews purchased land and moved in. The violence was brought by the Arabs, who spent about 20 years attacking Jews and trying to drive them out. The war that led to the displacement and death was started by Arab nations invading Israel to destroy it. All of that, and the ensuing 75 years of violence, could have been avoided if the Arabs accepted either of the two partition plans that would have given the Palestinians their own state.
2. Arabs are not excluded from citizenship in Israel. There are about 2 million Arab citizens of Israel with full rights as Israeli citizens. There is an Arab political party in the Knesset. There is an Arab on the Supreme Court. The Palestinians don’t have the same rights because they are not Israel citizens by choice. They are governed by Hamas and the PA. I can tell by your comments you are clearly someone who gets all their information about the conflict from either TikTok or from your keffiyeh-wearing buddies on your college campus.

What have those “peacekeepers” been doing for the past 20 years, aside from watching while Hezbollah turns southern Lebanon into a terrorist base? Do they snack on popcorn while watching Hezbollah’s rockets fly into Israel?

You people are like leftist zombies, you just mindlessly repeat the same phrases over and over and over again. Of course you can’t engage with the issues beyond your catchphrases and clam up as soon as someone starts challenging you.

This isn’t difficult to grasp. Israel has the right to go to war against its enemies, and children die in war. If you can explain how to fight a war without children dying, I’m all ears. But the responsibility for those deaths lies with the people who started the war - especially since they started it knowing full well that large numbers of Palestinians would die in the process. They want those deaths.

Honestly, you’re just incredibly naive about this. It’s frightening that so many people are so blinded by their hate that they have come to see barbaric terrorists and radical Islamists as the good guys. Your moral compass is just so messed up.

Oh, and don’t lecture me on what Zionism is. It’s our movement. We defined it.

My initial comment describes all the things anti-Israel protesters are doing that aren’t “criticism of Israel.” That’s the point. They’re not criticizing Israel, they’re calling for its destruction.

It’s not impossible if there was a commitment on both sides to make it happen. There has never been a commitment on the part of the Palestinians, and there isn’t one with the Netanyahu government.

As I said before, Israel WAS interested in a two state solution. Until the second intifada. How many plans and proposals would the Palestinians have to reject before you admit that maybe they actually don’t want peaceful coexistence?

Israeli nationalism is not the problem. Israel exists. I has existed for 76 years. The problem is Arab and Muslim rejectionism. They simply won’t give up on their dream of driving the Jews into the sea. Moderate Arab nations have given up on that dream but the radical Islamists haven’t. That’s why Hamas launched their attack when they did, because they wanted to destroy the Abraham Accords.

And sorry, but there is no room in any reasonable moral system for accepting barbaric terrorism as “legitimate resistance” or a response to grievances. Blowing up nightclubs full of young people and busses taking people to work and school is not political protest. Besides, they have had opportunities to negotiate peace and chose not to take advantage of those opportunities. They had a chance to turn Gaza into a legitimate state when Israel withdrew in 2005 and they chose to turn it into a Hamas terrorist base.

Israel has not won total victory, which is why this cycle has continued for so long. The US and the international community has never let them achieve total victory. This war is different. The Netanyahu government has decided to finally achieve total victory.

And it is false that Israel is committing genocide in the Middle East, so only one of those things is true.

Perhaps you should actually read my initial comment. Or is that too difficult for you?

“Won’t anyone think of the poor children?” If you don’t want children to die in war, don’t fucking start war.

Literally no possibility, huh? WTF do you think they sponsor Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis for? Why do they have a doomsday clock in Tehran literally counting down to Israel’s destruction? Just for shits and giggles? But here’s the bottom line: Neither you, nor any other ignorant Western leftist, has the right to demand that Israel takes that chance. That’s exactly what Jewish self-determination (AKA Zionism) is all about.

Tell me something: What have those UN peacekeepers been doing all this time? Are they there to protect Hezbollah so they can continue to fire rockets and missiles into Israel? Because they sure haven’t been keeping the peace, and they also haven’t enforced UN Resolution 1701. So get the fuck out and let Israel take care of business.

You know what’s ironic? The past 60 years of conflict could possibly have been avoided if the UN held their ground back in 1967 when Egypt asked them to leave. They were actually doing their job back then and their decision to pack up and leave at Egypt’s request was a major contributing factor to the Six-Day War. Seems almost as if they’re biased against Israel, huh?

No. First of all, the Palestinian population has grown substantially since 1967. That alone is sufficient to disprove the genocide accusation. Second, blaming Israel for the plight of the Palestinian people ignores the fact that they have been governed by corrupt terrorist leaders who have done nothing to improve the lives of the people they govern because they have been single-mindedly focused on destroying Israel. Plus, it’s pretty damn disrespectful to treat the Palestinian people as if they have no agency whatsoever and are just destined to be radicalized because of external forces.