Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.

Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”

Friendly reminder that you can sideload apps without jailbreaking or paying for a dev account using TrollStore, which utilises core trust bugs to bypass/spoof some app validation keys, on a iPhone XR or newer on iOS 14.0 up to 16.6.1. (ANY version for iPhone X and older)

Install guide: Trollstore

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      Exactly my thoughts. “Let’s jailbreak this, bypass that, circumvent that one thing…” Why do you subject yourself to this with a device you paid hundreds of dollars for?

      As much as I’d like to have an iPhone, I’d rather not.

      As an aside, it’s the same thing with game consoles. Is the whole “you must be connected to the internet” thing still happening? That’s what has been preventing me from getting a new xbox, for example.

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        Steam Deck is pretty awesome in the offline gaming regard, if that’s what you might be looking for.

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          I’d argue that there are a lot of offline mode frustrations with Steam but none of them are Steam’s fault, they are all due to individual games online requirements or DRM implementations.

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            Steam literally warns you for every game. It tells you if you need to be online once or online every time. I don’t think you can blame them. If you buy games that require an online activation you can’t get upset that you can’t play offline.

            Example games:

            • Always online
              • Singleplayer gameplay requires an active Internet connection

            • Online activation
              • This game’s first-time setup requires an active Internet connection

            I do wish that this wasn’t hidden inside of the “Steam Deck Compatibility” section. (There is a yellow box about third-party DRM outside, but for the details you need to click the Steam Deck Compatibility box) But that is my only complaint.

            Personally I just don’t buy these games.

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            At least you can run the games in offline, even when you have to log in the first time.

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        I remember way back when I had my iPod Touch 4 (haven’t touched Apple since then) that I (intentionally) jailbroke it simply by tapping a button on a website in Safari. It was an exploit that used a bug in iOS’s PDF software, I believe.

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        Honestly? Nothing. People just say this kind of thing because we like to tinker with our devices. If what you bought satisfies your needs and you don’t need more, that’s just ok. Android/windows/linux has a lot more conveniences for my use, so that’s what I go for, but not everyone is the same

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          Android/windows/linux has a lot more conveniences for my use

          That’s kind of my point. I don’t get the aggression people have for someone using different brand.

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            I don’t get the aggression people have for someone using different brand.

            People identify the business decisions that Apple makes to be anti-consumer. They then feel frustration and anger for users of Apple products as support for their products only emboldens Apple to continue making anti-consumer decisions, such as the subject of this article.

            Apple is a microcosm representation of the evils of capitalism for many people and they project their feelings about it - powerlessness, disgust, anger, etc. - onto users of Apple products. People associate support for iPhones which enjoys a 61% US market share as support for the boot of capitalism on our throats regardless of whether the Apple user doesn’t know, doesn’t care, or doesn’t agree.

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              Also Apple’s anti-consumer decisions usually transfer to other places (such as Android) aswell, because they have a lot of influence on the rest of the market.

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                Pretty much this. If other brands see the vitriol, then they might think “well, guess not being that way is a way to be competitive”.

                If everyone sounds perfectly cool with that facet, then everyone else goes “sweet, the Apple way gives the vendor more control over the customer, and control over the customer is valued, if we think we can get away with it”

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              If it just remains Apple who did it i wouldn’t mind but there they are a bit of a product leader.

              Off forging the way ahead for under consumer BS everywhere.

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                Agreed. This is what I was implying by citing their OS market share in mobile devices in the US and I could have clarified better.

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                  I just wanted to clarify if I understood the point correctly, labeling just shortens the answer.

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                    I don’t know if you understand the point. I and other users have tried to help. If you have any more specific questions, just ask.

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              Sure, but tribalism with a brand is just beyond my understanding (hyperbole), - it’s so stupid.

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                Apple influence the market a lot. So paid side-loading can propagate to other companies if Apple can pull it off.

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                  For sure! An amount of “hate” for apple, or any company for that matter, is totally ok. Sometimes they make decisions that screw consumers just for a buck more. No reason to hate on users, tho. That’s the same as saying anyone who uses a gas vehicle to go from one place to another is in favor of global warming

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                    I kinda disagree with the comparison, but I agree that it is dumb the blame the users.

                    However, from a certain perspective, users enable companies. So some people hate the users for that. And some other people just have a bad case of tribalism.

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                    I am not personally hating on the apple users, but considering that people continue to buy Apple products even after these anti-consumer practices, then some people consider that the users enable the company.

                    So I can see where that is coming from. And some people are just tribal idiots.

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        A MacBook is the only Apple product I’m happy with cause it’s actually open in terms of being able to install any app I want and modify some things like how windows are managed.

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          I had an iPhone, but for my use case they are just to expensive. I have a 100 euro android phone that does everything I ever need.

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        Come back when you have a problem with your keyboard*, or your drive, or charging issue. Repairability is downright bad now.

        I like OSX well enough.* I like the form factor of the MacBooks now that they have escape keys again. It’s been 9 years since they made a MacBook that was reasonably decent to work on from the inside though. Even swapping a broken screen out is* like 3 hours now.

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          I’v been using mac books over a decade so not sure when I need to come back here. I was unhappy with the usbc only mac book pro and considered switching but the m1 fixed issues i had, so I’m here again. Just imagine that there are people out there who don’t care to much about repair-ability.

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            You don’t care that a mainboard replacement will cost you $1100+ but a component-level repair is less than half of that and doesn’t e-waste a whole damn board? You don’t care that it would cost even less if Apple just sold the damn parts and supplied schematics?

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              No? I care that I have reliable piece of hardware that is physical sturdy, that I don’t have to inform myself on different hardware configurations before buying but just look at my budget and buy the one I can afford, I care about the way fonts are displayed, I care a lot about magsafe since it saved my laptop so many times, I care about the touch pad - since I even do 3d work with it and forgot how to use a mouse.

              Why is it so difficult to understand that people have different priorities? Like I can see, how repair ability might be important for someone, not everyone is like me.

              Also in more than a decade I didn’t have to replace anything.

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                Also in more than a decade I didn’t have to replace anything

                Honestly I doubt that. I’ve seen many Macbook failures in my time and they are always things other laptops don’t suffer. I purchase and track IT software and hardware for an organization of over 10k people and I’ve seen what lasts and what doesn’t. The regular laptops we use? We get 4 years out of nearly all of them, and 6 if we replace the batteries and upgrade any dated bits. There are the odd designs that failed early (HP Elitebooks from a few years ago…) but most are reliable.

                There are two devices I avoid buying at all costs and make clients give me a lot of supporting rationale for, because they have poor build quality and are utterly unrepairable: Microsoft Surface, and Apple Macbooks. At scale, running these is incredibly expensive for no good reason.

                Example of an issue that has happened: client was running a bunch of VMs and filled up the SSD on their Dell laptop. I replaced it with a larger SSD rather than buy an entire device. That happens on a Mac? Tough because that SSD is soldered in. On that note, good luck extracting that data if the mainboard fails. That was fun telling someone they lost a mountain of data.

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                  Honestly I doubt that.

                  Not sure why I would lie, but feel free to not believe me. Maybe I’m just lucky, I had three macbook pros and the only problem I had was a battery dying on one, but it was close to where I needed a new one anyway. And I need my hardware to be reliable and the conditions I use it are rather suboptimal (live events). Never turned off on me or died during a gig. I had a windows machine from a venue once - it started updating 10 minutes before the gig.

                  Like I don’t care about the brand, I have a cheap android phone because it gives me exactly what I need. Just happened that apple produces a device that fits my needs. If I ever see anything that fits my bill but is cheaper, I would take it in a second. I don’t have any brand loyalty. Switched from olympus, to nikon to sony - if you into photography you will get it.

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        There are 3 kind of people when talking about Apple: 1- fanatics who support Apple, 2-fanatics who hate Apple and think you cannot like it, 3- and finally those who just look at the product without thinking about the brand but what you can do with the product (if it suits your needs or not). It seems like you are that third kind of person.

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          Don’t get people that upset by using microsoft or google products. It something about apple that makes people quite unhinged.

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            Uhh no. If you think that, you’re not paying attention at all. Most of the main feed of Lemmy is raging at Google right now and Microsoft is only catching a break because Bill Gates recently got together with ultra wealthy people writing a letter asking to be taxed.

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      but apple sets “standards” that other companies blindly follow. it’s the reason why we have non-removable batteries, no charger inside the box, no audio jack, etc.