I member when this meme would’ve been OT vs prequels… Now I’m not bold enough to say we’ll ever see the sequels redeemed and considered at least passable/sparks joy, but I’m also old and realize they weren’t really made for me. Then again the prequels kinda were and I kinda hated them as a kid (aside from 3)…
I watched them recently, they’re worse than I remember for sure. There are still fun things about them. But they’re not particularly good movies. I think the same thing can be said about the sequels
This is 100% spot on. They are all a lot of fun and I’ll watch them again at some point, but they’re not good movies. My bar for Star Wars properties, like for other media, comes in two layers:
Would this be a good movie/show/game/book if it wasn’t set in the X universe? and
Is this a good movie/show/game/book when compared to the better properties in the X universe?
IMHO, the first one is the more important question and the thing that Star Wars media constantly fails at. Andor was a fucking masterpiece and would have been an amazing piece of prestige television even absent any Star Wars connection. That’s the case with Rogue One and The Clone Wars, as well. The Prequels and Sequels don’t pass muster on criteria 1 and even a few don’t succeed meeting criteria 2.
with the prequels its mostly just the first one. Darth maul is the only good thing it had and they killed him like right off the bat. make 2 one, the clone wars cartoon as 2 and 3 stays three and it would not be to bad a trilogy.
In my opinion the bad movie is really the second one. You can cut that movie almost completely. There’s like 2-3 scenes of actually trilogi plot relevant stuff in there and so much crap. Even as a kid I absolutely hated ping-pong ball Yoda.
The majority sets up the Clone wars tv-series which is great and where you actually see Anakin develop as a character and towards the dark side, the stuff in AotC is just not it.
The dialogue is worse than any other Star Wars movie without any contest. Pretty much every line that gets memed on is from AotC.
It’s an action movie with some cool fighting for sure, but that has never been the appeal of Star Wars to me. As such it’s to this date the second worst Star Wars movie in my book.
Strongly disagree. Episode One was definitely the worst, but the whole trilogy was basically 6 hours worth of a creator having no idea what made his IP successful in the first place while desperately trying to out merchandise Return of the Jedi. They were toy commercials more than they were movies.
Also hot take: Darth Maul was a worthless character and we need to stop perpetuating the idea that he was somehow badass. He showed up for like 3 scenes, killed one equally useless Jedi, then died with a dumb look on his face because he couldn’t hit a guy jumping directly over his head. Except he didn’t die because Dave Filoni thinks he loves Star Wars while feeling the need to retcon everything about it. Boba Fett had more effective screen time and impact on the story than Maul, and we all know how useless Fett is.
Nostalgia is the only reason anyone looks back fondly on the prequels, and I dread the day nostalgia overtakes the sequels and I have to start biting my tongue on those too for fear of backlash.
You want to get back to what Star Wars originally was? Cut 90% of the budget, heavily criticize every creative decision, and treat the entire production like a goddamned venereal disease. Star Wars was a textbook example of art through adversity and benefited hugely from it. That’s what been lost and no one is talking about it.
see that is the the thing about darth maul. his look and lightsaber were so cool. he had massive potential but then as you say he was in for all of 3 scenes and killed.
People love Maul and Fett for the same reason that Alien didn’t show the xenomorph until like the second half of the movie: people’s imaginations will come up with something better than you can make almost 100% of the time. They pop on screen just long enough to look cool and maybe say one or two lines of dialogue to get the fans going, and then disappear. They’re the character equivalents of those lore-bait games that don’t have an actual story, just hints of stuff for fans to make YouTube videos about.
I member when this meme would’ve been OT vs prequels… Now I’m not bold enough to say we’ll ever see the sequels redeemed and considered at least passable/sparks joy, but I’m also old and realize they weren’t really made for me. Then again the prequels kinda were and I kinda hated them as a kid (aside from 3)…
I watched them recently, they’re worse than I remember for sure. There are still fun things about them. But they’re not particularly good movies. I think the same thing can be said about the sequels
This is 100% spot on. They are all a lot of fun and I’ll watch them again at some point, but they’re not good movies. My bar for Star Wars properties, like for other media, comes in two layers:
IMHO, the first one is the more important question and the thing that Star Wars media constantly fails at. Andor was a fucking masterpiece and would have been an amazing piece of prestige television even absent any Star Wars connection. That’s the case with Rogue One and The Clone Wars, as well. The Prequels and Sequels don’t pass muster on criteria 1 and even a few don’t succeed meeting criteria 2.
with the prequels its mostly just the first one. Darth maul is the only good thing it had and they killed him like right off the bat. make 2 one, the clone wars cartoon as 2 and 3 stays three and it would not be to bad a trilogy.
In my opinion the bad movie is really the second one. You can cut that movie almost completely. There’s like 2-3 scenes of actually trilogi plot relevant stuff in there and so much crap. Even as a kid I absolutely hated ping-pong ball Yoda.
The majority sets up the Clone wars tv-series which is great and where you actually see Anakin develop as a character and towards the dark side, the stuff in AotC is just not it.
The dialogue is worse than any other Star Wars movie without any contest. Pretty much every line that gets memed on is from AotC.
It’s an action movie with some cool fighting for sure, but that has never been the appeal of Star Wars to me. As such it’s to this date the second worst Star Wars movie in my book.
Strongly disagree. Episode One was definitely the worst, but the whole trilogy was basically 6 hours worth of a creator having no idea what made his IP successful in the first place while desperately trying to out merchandise Return of the Jedi. They were toy commercials more than they were movies.
Also hot take: Darth Maul was a worthless character and we need to stop perpetuating the idea that he was somehow badass. He showed up for like 3 scenes, killed one equally useless Jedi, then died with a dumb look on his face because he couldn’t hit a guy jumping directly over his head. Except he didn’t die because Dave Filoni thinks he loves Star Wars while feeling the need to retcon everything about it. Boba Fett had more effective screen time and impact on the story than Maul, and we all know how useless Fett is.
Nostalgia is the only reason anyone looks back fondly on the prequels, and I dread the day nostalgia overtakes the sequels and I have to start biting my tongue on those too for fear of backlash.
You want to get back to what Star Wars originally was? Cut 90% of the budget, heavily criticize every creative decision, and treat the entire production like a goddamned venereal disease. Star Wars was a textbook example of art through adversity and benefited hugely from it. That’s what been lost and no one is talking about it.
see that is the the thing about darth maul. his look and lightsaber were so cool. he had massive potential but then as you say he was in for all of 3 scenes and killed.
I felt like the look was too over the top. They just made a whole demonic species so this one guy could look like a demon.
People love Maul and Fett for the same reason that Alien didn’t show the xenomorph until like the second half of the movie: people’s imaginations will come up with something better than you can make almost 100% of the time. They pop on screen just long enough to look cool and maybe say one or two lines of dialogue to get the fans going, and then disappear. They’re the character equivalents of those lore-bait games that don’t have an actual story, just hints of stuff for fans to make YouTube videos about.