Shooting at international shipping isn’t holding anyone accountable unless you hate shipping corporations. And yeah if you shoot at the military (any military) don’t be surprised when they shoot back.
It’s clearly made the US take notice (since they care more about trade than people’s lives), so mission accomplished. How else do you propose they do it, given the limited resources they have? Take it up with the UN, where the US vetoes any resolution against israel?
I suggest they pressure Egypt to allow all aid into Gaza no matter what Israel wants.
I suggest they donate to the IRC.
I suggest they go join the people they see as comrades and fight Israel.
I do not suggest that they declare war on the entire world’s shipping. Which is responsible, in part, for delivering their own Humanitarian Aid. And transferring food and energy the world over. Furthermore effectiveness at getting attention does not equal moral. I don’t get to shoot at random cars on the freeway because I don’t like how the next state over handles homeless people. And they don’t get shoot at random ships.
I suggest they pressure Egypt to allow all aid into Gaza no matter what Israel wants.
Shutting down the Suez traffic does this.
I suggest they donate to the IRC.
“Okay, yes, you’ve had an enormous impact on geopolitics with a few warning shots, but have you considered starting a GoFundMe?”
I do not suggest that they declare war on the entire world’s shipping.
Hardly the whole world. They’re very clearly targeting traffic through the Red Sea. Nightmarish news for all those Israeli shipping magnets and major ports on the back end of the Mediterranean. Amazing news for ports along the southern coast of Africa. The Houthis have, with a few hundred dollars in military hardware, done what amounts to a direct cash transfer of billions of dollars from the Israeli Zionists to pro-Palestinian South Africans.
What could they possibly do that would be more effective for their allies in Gaza than this?
It’s not that shutting down Suez traffic doesn’t do this. It’s that it’s an act of war against any country moving cargo through there. It’s entirely too broad.
And they haven’t had an impact. Not beyond discussing it here and lining themselves up for NATO ground mission (If not a UN one). We already have a military UN mission keeping the Suez Canal open and it has been the subject of wars before. It really is that important as a logistical route. And the IRC is hardly a GoFundMe.
They could go fight the Israelis directly. Because it’s not just Mediterranean. It’s literally the entirety of Europe from all point east of the canal. And Europe is not going to tolerate it. The most impactful thing they get is actually the first ever foreign deployment of an EU military force.
It’s that it’s an act of war against any country moving cargo through there.
If you consider the history of Yemen and the decade-long struggle of Houthi insurgents against a Saudi backed dictatorship, eh? They’ve been at war with a proxy of a proxy of the US for some time now. Might as well claim the Taliban is committing an act of war against countries moving cargo through Kabul.
And they haven’t had an impact.
95% of traffic routed from the Red Sea isn’t an impact?
They could go fight the Israelis directly.
They are. This is a direct attack on the Israeli economy. It is costing the state billions.
It is not a direct attack. That’s the entire problem. And if you define friendly countries as part of the war then you have defacto declared war on them. The only impact that’s going to have is in Yemen. Europe and North America aren’t going to just give up the suez canal. The Yemeni coast facing the straight is going to turn into an international occupied zone. It will cost a billion dollars a year and they’ll pay it happily to keep a trillion dollars a year flowing through the canal.
Then a year later, the only people who will even remember it’s an occupied zone are the same people who know there’s a UN mission in Sinai to keep the Suez Canal from being shut down by war again. That’s it. It’s not going to crash any economies. It’s not going to hurt Israel or anyone else for more than a month or two.
When you’ve got bombs dropping on your head, it doesn’t matter whether the US is doing it via their own Navy or six layers of proxies. The explosion still hurts the same, regardless.
if you define friendly countries as part of the war then you have defacto declared war on them
Absolutely. Which is why Israel declaring total war on Gaza was such a monumental misstep. You’ve got Palestinians in Jordan, Persians in Iran, Arabs in Iraq and Egypt and Lebanon and Syria, and now Houthis in Yemen all fighting mad.
The Red Sea is shut down entirely because the war in Gaza was recognized is increasingly seen as a war by Israel against all Muslims.
Europe and North America aren’t going to just give up the suez canal. The Yemeni coast facing the straight is going to turn into an international occupied zone.
Given how much trouble US and British troops have had moving in and around Somalia, how disastrously the war in Afghanistan and Iraq ended, and how inhospitable to modern western military hardware the Yemeni mountains have proven to be, I think the question is not whether EU/NA will give up the Suez but whether they can hang on to it.
the only people who will even remember it’s an occupied zone are the same people who know there’s a UN mission in Sinai to keep the Suez Canal from being shut down by war again
You’re only furthering my point. Americans and Europeans have completely neglected how fragile the region is, simply because of this period of relative stability. Given that the UN is fracturing in the face of Old West nations feuding with BRICS states, their ability to maintain control over the peninsula is eroding in turn.
And, again, it should be noted how crazy profitable this turn of events has been for South Africa. 90% of shipping traffic formerly passing through the Suez is now passing around the Horn. That’s brought a much-needed injection of cash and cargo into the region.
Similarly, the nascent BRI is seeing a flood of new commerce, as overland travel gains appeal relative to the hazardous Red Sea route.
From the standpoint of the BRICS states, this has been a windfall. They aren’t under any economic pressure to tag in with EU/NA on Yemen. If anything, it appears that the South Africans are leading a diplomatic charge in their defense.
The Houthis are not directly stacking Israel. Don’t twist my words. They were in response to your comment.
Given how much trouble US and British troops have had moving in and around Somalia, how disastrously the war in Afghanistan and Iraq ended, and how inhospitable to modern western military hardware the Yemeni mountains have proven to be, I think the question is not whether EU/NA will give up the Suez but whether they can hang on to it.
What you’re missing is it won’t be a peacekeeping mission or a nation building mission. They’re going to DMZ it. Anyone in area X not in a uniform, with a weapon, gets killed.
But you’re just using more and more propaganda lines so I’m going to stop here.
Shooting at international shipping isn’t holding anyone accountable unless you hate shipping corporations. And yeah if you shoot at the military (any military) don’t be surprised when they shoot back.
It’s clearly made the US take notice (since they care more about trade than people’s lives), so mission accomplished. How else do you propose they do it, given the limited resources they have? Take it up with the UN, where the US vetoes any resolution against israel?
I suggest they pressure Egypt to allow all aid into Gaza no matter what Israel wants.
I suggest they donate to the IRC.
I suggest they go join the people they see as comrades and fight Israel.
I do not suggest that they declare war on the entire world’s shipping. Which is responsible, in part, for delivering their own Humanitarian Aid. And transferring food and energy the world over. Furthermore effectiveness at getting attention does not equal moral. I don’t get to shoot at random cars on the freeway because I don’t like how the next state over handles homeless people. And they don’t get shoot at random ships.
Shutting down the Suez traffic does this.
“Okay, yes, you’ve had an enormous impact on geopolitics with a few warning shots, but have you considered starting a GoFundMe?”
Hardly the whole world. They’re very clearly targeting traffic through the Red Sea. Nightmarish news for all those Israeli shipping magnets and major ports on the back end of the Mediterranean. Amazing news for ports along the southern coast of Africa. The Houthis have, with a few hundred dollars in military hardware, done what amounts to a direct cash transfer of billions of dollars from the Israeli Zionists to pro-Palestinian South Africans.
What could they possibly do that would be more effective for their allies in Gaza than this?
It’s not that shutting down Suez traffic doesn’t do this. It’s that it’s an act of war against any country moving cargo through there. It’s entirely too broad.
And they haven’t had an impact. Not beyond discussing it here and lining themselves up for NATO ground mission (If not a UN one). We already have a military UN mission keeping the Suez Canal open and it has been the subject of wars before. It really is that important as a logistical route. And the IRC is hardly a GoFundMe.
They could go fight the Israelis directly. Because it’s not just Mediterranean. It’s literally the entirety of Europe from all point east of the canal. And Europe is not going to tolerate it. The most impactful thing they get is actually the first ever foreign deployment of an EU military force.
If you consider the history of Yemen and the decade-long struggle of Houthi insurgents against a Saudi backed dictatorship, eh? They’ve been at war with a proxy of a proxy of the US for some time now. Might as well claim the Taliban is committing an act of war against countries moving cargo through Kabul.
95% of traffic routed from the Red Sea isn’t an impact?
They are. This is a direct attack on the Israeli economy. It is costing the state billions.
It is not a direct attack. That’s the entire problem. And if you define friendly countries as part of the war then you have defacto declared war on them. The only impact that’s going to have is in Yemen. Europe and North America aren’t going to just give up the suez canal. The Yemeni coast facing the straight is going to turn into an international occupied zone. It will cost a billion dollars a year and they’ll pay it happily to keep a trillion dollars a year flowing through the canal.
Then a year later, the only people who will even remember it’s an occupied zone are the same people who know there’s a UN mission in Sinai to keep the Suez Canal from being shut down by war again. That’s it. It’s not going to crash any economies. It’s not going to hurt Israel or anyone else for more than a month or two.
When you’ve got bombs dropping on your head, it doesn’t matter whether the US is doing it via their own Navy or six layers of proxies. The explosion still hurts the same, regardless.
Absolutely. Which is why Israel declaring total war on Gaza was such a monumental misstep. You’ve got Palestinians in Jordan, Persians in Iran, Arabs in Iraq and Egypt and Lebanon and Syria, and now Houthis in Yemen all fighting mad.
The Red Sea is shut down entirely because the war in Gaza was recognized is increasingly seen as a war by Israel against all Muslims.
Given how much trouble US and British troops have had moving in and around Somalia, how disastrously the war in Afghanistan and Iraq ended, and how inhospitable to modern western military hardware the Yemeni mountains have proven to be, I think the question is not whether EU/NA will give up the Suez but whether they can hang on to it.
You’re only furthering my point. Americans and Europeans have completely neglected how fragile the region is, simply because of this period of relative stability. Given that the UN is fracturing in the face of Old West nations feuding with BRICS states, their ability to maintain control over the peninsula is eroding in turn.
And, again, it should be noted how crazy profitable this turn of events has been for South Africa. 90% of shipping traffic formerly passing through the Suez is now passing around the Horn. That’s brought a much-needed injection of cash and cargo into the region.
Similarly, the nascent BRI is seeing a flood of new commerce, as overland travel gains appeal relative to the hazardous Red Sea route.
From the standpoint of the BRICS states, this has been a windfall. They aren’t under any economic pressure to tag in with EU/NA on Yemen. If anything, it appears that the South Africans are leading a diplomatic charge in their defense.
The Houthis are not directly stacking Israel. Don’t twist my words. They were in response to your comment.
What you’re missing is it won’t be a peacekeeping mission or a nation building mission. They’re going to DMZ it. Anyone in area X not in a uniform, with a weapon, gets killed.
But you’re just using more and more propaganda lines so I’m going to stop here.