What is lemmy.world doing defederating before hexbear even federates? lemmy.world/instances

This is what it took to defederate from exploding-heads after being federated with them since the start of lemmy.world

https://lemmy.world/post/747912?scrollToComments=true

What evidence do you have of hexbear breaking the lemmy or citizen code of conduct?

Has the criteria for defederation changed?

Hexbear is one of the largest and most active lemmy instances:

Compared to lemmy.ml:

Compared to lemm.ee:

and lemmy.world:

  • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7715·
    1 year ago

    Hexbear has existed on lemmy for 3 years. It’s just a socialist instance, originally it was /r/chapotraphouse on reddit until Spez banned it for its userbase saying things like “slaveowners should be killed” (because he is a prepper who has said he will own slaves after the collapse).

    Chapotraphouse is a socialist podcast, it was also the #1 highest donated thing on Patreon for a good while. These days it’s #2.

    • waterbogan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      Who the hell wants to own, manage and be responsible for a human? Hell I can barely manage looking after a cat!

      • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        93·
        1 year ago

        These days I’m not sure how much they’ve dropped off in popularity or not. A lot of people recommend /r/TrueAnon or /r/TheDeprogram, I hear CitationsNeeded mentioned quite often as well. If you’re looking for more leftist pods with varying styles/seriousness. Pretty much all of them crossover with Hexbear and the former userbase of the CTH sub.

      • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        102·
        1 year ago

        Hexbear? Yes after the ban a lifeboat discord was set up, then a week or so later the site Chapo.Chat was born after rushed dev work. It later rebranded to Hexbear because various socialist groups didn’t want to work with a site associated with the chapo podcast for a variety of minor mostly unimportant reasons, things like believing they’re grifters just seeking money or w/e.

    • Francisco@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4850·
      1 year ago

      From reading that thread it is not just a socialist instance.

      They are instructing their members on how to relate to others, how to react to outsiders comments in their communities, and how to protect themselves from outsiders opinions. To me that sounds like cult level brainwashing techniques.

      Another word that comes to mind is brigading.

      • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5614·
        1 year ago

        No they’re not lmao.

        It’s literally just “be nice to people when visiting other instances, don’t behave like a dirtbag leftist unless you’re actually on Hexbear”. Because the culture of Hexbear is… Dirtbag left. Making sure that the userbase doesn’t behave that way off Hexbear is pretty important. Hexbear users are lovely most of the time but get vicious with each other and are prone to extremely hostile fighting over topics they disagree on, this would be a massive shock to most normal people off-Hexbear. They’re just trying to mitigate that.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          215·
          1 year ago

          It’s literally just “be nice to people when visiting other instances, don’t behave like a dirtbag leftist unless you’re actually on Hexbear”.

          Doing this will cause people to think that folks on Hexbear aren’t evil tankies. And that’s exactly how they get you. They act like normal, rational, mature adults with generally friendly fun-loving attitudes and… that’s fucking it, man. Game over. The Putinistas will have won.

            • maaj@lemmy.worldEnglish
              16·
              1 year ago

              Too late, I’m putting that in my back pocket to disseminate at the monthly gathering.

          • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            58·
            1 year ago

            Chapo Traphouse listeners aren’t tankies. Sure, Lemmygrad users are. But we’re fans of Bernie Sanders and not fans of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc. I considered creating an account there when I learned that it was full of former r/chapotraphouse users, but opted for my nerdy side when choosing my instance as that’s been a part of me longer than my political side.

            Edit to add that hexbear appears to be offline so I can’t access the above link for context. If something is published there that goes against my post, it’s because I couldn’t verify what that link contained.

        • Francisco@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1022·
          1 year ago

          Thanks for offering your perspective. Maybe I’m too cynical. Or maybe I’m reading to much into the Russia-Ukraine-Nato thing.

          In any case, at current information, I can both accept the defederation, or just teaching people that they can choose and block specific users and communities.

          • 小黑。@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
            1628·
            1 year ago

            ok then block their news, politics communities problem solved hopefully we can get an answer from the admins soon. I’m fine if they want to use the admin power to decide who the lemmy.world users can talk to the only thing that can stop woke instances is strong and decisive leadership.

            • Francisco@lemmy.worldEnglish
              923·
              1 year ago

              Please,

              discussing a complex geopolitical situation

              Is not

              telling their users to be nice to others and not break the rules of other instances

              You are not being consistent.

              Also, an admin detailing how to think about a complex geopolitical situation is not discussing.

              • 小黑。@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                1019·
                1 year ago

                I show you the picture of the statement:

                They are too scared to show the power of the lemmy.world and to stop the federation with woke, i hope they would say how the western globalist agenda is a blight upon the worker, but sadly hexbear are woke tankies like lemmygrad and lemmy

                • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
                  21·
                  1 year ago

                  Calling capitalism bad is not the same as supporting dictators. If you still worship capitalism, fine. But a lot of people who will never be able to afford a house are looking at previous generations vs what their generation is getting out of it and waking up to how badly they’ve been fucked.

      • solrize@lemmy.worldEnglish
        94·
        1 year ago

        If haven’t looked at hexbear but I do remember seeing Chapo Trap House on Reddit. It was basically a liberal shitposting sub, a left wing, self-aware version of The Donald. I think it got banned due to too many memes involving guillotines. Most of that stuff was intended as humor, I am pretty sure.