• BradleyUffner@lemmy.world
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    They are proud in order to fight the shame that conservatives constantly tell them they should feel for existing. It’s a tool for empowerment and fighting back against oppression.

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      So in your opinion, if we reached a level of society where no one is oppressed for their identity/sexuality, would it just cease to “be an idiom”?

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          “Let’s get there and then decide” is usually not a good way to tackle issues… but I guess it’s not up to us anyway to decide, unfortunately it looks like it’s going to take a long time before that becomes reality.

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            This is not an issue and it’s not one that needs tackling. It’s literally bored Lemmings taking an argument to the extreme for the sake of being argumentative.

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              It’s currently not an issue, and it’s not going to be one for a long, long time. But it’s still a sort of double standard that will eventually need to be addressed if society progresses enough. Talking about it now is pointless, sure, but so is most stuff people do on the internet.

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                will eventually need to be addressed if society progresses enough

                That’s the funniest “hypothetical” shit I’ve ever heard.

                So let be get this right… we’re gonna make it an issue because you’re bored and need something to grind your axe? I’m glad it’s not something that affects you personally to the point that people like you are murdered all over the world for being different.

                Because if you think this shit is trivial and annoying, you’re drowning in a world filled with privilege.

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        That is a hypothetical so far removed from any semblance of reality that it doesn’t even merit discussion.

        Might as well ask “well if we were all made of purple goo would we have anything to fight about?” It’s fucking nonsense. Human nature dictates that a majority will always oppress a minority, even when it’s not intentional. It’s selective pressure, pure and simple. If you have a population that’s ⅔ one kind and ⅓ another, the society will naturally trend to cater to the ⅔ more than the ⅓, and it doesn’t take much thinking to understand why. And even if the smaller group grows to reach numerical equity, their historical disadvantage will stay with them for many, many generations, putting everyone born into that historical minority at a disadvantage from birth.

        That’s called systemic inequality, and it is real and pervasive in human societies. It’s built into the system and will never go away, so we will ALWAYS have to also create ways to alleviate it.

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          Human nature dictates that a majority will always oppress a minority, even when it’s not intentional. It’s selective pressure, pure and simple.

          That’s not true at all. Left-handed people are a minority. Blond people are a minority. People over 2 meters are a minority. But none of those minorities are currently “oppressed” because of that.

          Society catering more to the majority doesn’t mean the minority has to be oppressed. Very tall people have a lot of issues because architecture, clothing and everything else is tailored mainly to people with an average height, but try saying tall people are “oppressed” and see how many agree.

          The oppression we see now is because people feel the moral superiority in “being normal”, and everything else is different, weird and therefore wrong. But just like left-handed people stopped being considered spawns of Satan in all of civilized society, we can get to that point for homosexuality too.

          Saying a world where LGBT people aren’t oppressed is as likely as a world where “we’re all made of purple goo” honestly feels offensive to the effort activists have been making for all these decades.

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      Pride as a reaction to shame is pretty unhealthy, from a mental health perspective. There are people trying to shame everyone for everything. Don’t be fat, don’t be thin, don’t be pretty, don’t be ugly. If everyone was distractingly screaming about their pride for everything they feel ashamed of the world would be obnoxious.

      I think pride as a movement made sense when everything queer was a hidden subculture.

      I feel like that’s past us. There are LGBT pro-hamas groups now. I think we’ve hit peak queer when there are queer activists for groups that would hang them.

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      Kinda like how sometimes people of colour tell white people to be ashamed of something their ancestors did ?

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        Except it’s usually more like

        “This is something that happened”

        “Why are you trying to shame me?!”

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        I mean, I see a lot of white people chanting pride about what their ancestors did. Do we really need to let that normalize?

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        Weird, no person of color ever told me to be ashamed of what my ancestors did. Do you think maybe you might have said something offensive that prompted such a response?

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        A bully saying mean things to you is different from the school administration discriminating against your whole race. Except in this case the bully is a handful of people and the school is the government in the past.

        If you can’t see the difference, you might be blind.