Israel’s military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.

The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.

“Ask Hamas if you can have some,” the IDF wrote.

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    And what happens if UNWRA does just that? Then they’ll be shamed and accused of working with a terrorist organization. It’s a no-win situation.

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      The reply should be, “Who should we be working with to draw equitable borders to ensure security? We’re not just asking for supplies, we’re forging local alliances to work on future solutions. “

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      Yeah, SHAME or CRITIQUE is really something UNRWA should not accept, to help the people it was created for.

      Do let me get this straight: It is Israel’s responsibility to let even more fuel into the Gaza Strip, so it can be added to the vast amounts that Hamas already has, but it is not the responsibility of Hamas to provide the Hospitals with fuels from those vast storages?

      Not many days ago, Hamas stole large quantities of fuel from the UN, too.

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        I feel for the civilians caught in the middle. Now is not the time to be hard headed about asking a terrorist group to do what’s right. Obviously they don’t care and the civilians are being punished too. Being callous about their suffering doesn’t solve the situation… it just feeds into the terrorist narrative.

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            Idk maybe when there’s not a huge humanitarian crisis. Gotta deal with the humanitarian crisis first or find somewhere for these people to go with actual resources for them. I wouldn’t want to be operated on in a hospital without electricity or anaesthesia, and I’m certainly not wishing that on civilians here.

            Asking despotic governments in charge to do what’s right never works. Why should civilians be punished?

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              Why should civilians be punished?

              Good questions you are asking.

              Your argument essentially boils down to this: Israeli civilians are worth less than Palestinian civilians. You didn’t write it like this, but is the logical consequence of what you are asking.

              You essentially want to allow Hamas to steal even more fuel that is then used for Rocket attacks. And no, those rockets are not harmless, they are made to kill and maim civilians.

              Let us entertain the thought, that Israel would allow fuel delivery for humanitarian purposes only. Who is going to defend that fuel against Hamas within the Gaza Strip? You?

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                The irony is that all this fluff is you justifying why Israeli citizens are worth more. Just because terrorists kill civilians doesn’t give one the right to callously allow the death of yet more innocent civilians.

                They both matter, which is what we’re saying when we speak out against Israel’s policy of collective punishment.

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                Your argument essentially boils down to this: Israeli civilians are worth less than Palestinian civilians. You didn’t write it like this, but is the logical consequence of what you are asking.

                That’s not what the argument boils down to. They didn’t write it like that because that wasn’t a position they were taking. You wrote it like that because you want that to be the case. That says more about you and your character.

                Civilians should not be used as fodder by either side.

                Do you disagree?

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                Well the logical step forward would be a negotiated peace that includes lifting the blockade so Gazans don’t have a reason to launch rocket attacks. That was the idea in 2008 and 2012, only a country whose name starts with Israel didn’t follow through with it. As seen from this attack, the current Israeli policy on Palestine is a colossal failure on multiple levels, so something needs to change,

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                  And if say, the blockade is lifted and even more rockets start to be delivered and fired at Israel. What would happen in the negotiated peace?

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                Your argument essentially boils down to this: Israeli civilians are worth less than Palestinian civilians. You didn’t write it like this, but is the logical consequence of what you are asking.

                *Honk*

                Straw man. Five minute timeout.

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                The headline is about Israel telling the UN to ask Hamas for fuel. You’re presupposing that Hamas is going to steal Hamas’s own fuel from the UN.

                You must be working for Hamas because you’re certainly not doing Israel any favors with the quality of that rhetoric.

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              They aren’t being ethnically cleansed, but I still don’t think it’s a good time.

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                Idk the forcible expulsion of millions of people from their ancestral home seems to fit the definition.

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                  They not only aren’t expelled, they literally cannot leave because no one will take them in.

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                What? Israel has actively stated Gaza’s territory would go down after the war, and there are honest to God pogroms going on right now in the West Bank (as if settlement wasn’t already ethnic cleansing enough).

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        It sure sounds like you’re holding Israel and a terrorist organization to the same standard. Nobody expects terrorist organizations to be concerned about human rights. Most of us still expect democratic states to… even if they don’t always live up to it.

        I continue to be amazed that Israel’s “supporters” hold them in such low esteem…“Why should they be better than terrorists?” Because, if If we can’t expect Israel’s government to be better than Hamas, then what reason do we have to support them?

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    Ask Hamas… also, get within 6 blocks of Hamas, and we’ll probably kill you. Given a little time, we’ll probably kill you anyway.

    Israel have the motivation and means to commit a genocide. Hamas terrorism was always going to be the pretext, it was just a question of when. Meanwhile, the civilians all get fucked - though not remotely equally.

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    I am not surprised at this response from Israel in the slightest. After all, they are no better than Hamas.

    Both like to slaughter innocent civilians. shrugs

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    Not much left before they say out loud what they really think: everyone beyond the wall we built is in fact, hamas. Easier to bomb once put in the same bzg

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    Most moral army my middle fucking nut. Fully happy to genocide all Palestinians because of the actions of terrorists funded by Israel

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      A Napoleonic era artillery barrages could flatten Gaza in a couple of weeks. They’re clearly not attempting to genocide all Gazans. To believe that requirea the belief that the IDF is the most incompetent military force to ever walk the planet.

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        They’re not attempting to kill them all, but 1.4 million people have been displaced. And they want them to flee northern Gaza, and historically land in these cases is not returned to Palestinians.

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          That’s a fair concern. But this happened in 2008, 2012 and 2014 where mass amounts of Gazan were told to flee certain areas (granted not this massive) and after their ground operations Israel retreated back across the border.

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        And Israel. Israel funded Hamas in the past to weaken the peace-seeking PLO. And even now they allow foreign money to reach them. Can’t have your boogieman going broke.

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          the peace-seeking PLO

          Lol gonna need you to cite this one because the PLO has denied every single peace deal Israel has offered, including multiple 2 state solutions

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            How so? The Oslo accords were called off by Israel. And the failure of peace talks in 2014 was confirmed by the US special envoy to be 100% Israel’s fault. Camp David is a matter of debate and nobody really knows what happened in 2008 so I won’t comment on those, but by my count that makes 2 times where Israel refused peace.

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              Nothing in your post is citation, and all of it is made up.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

              As for 08

              Hamas and Hezbollah, however threatened violence, especially if either side seemed likely to compromise in order to reach an agreement. As a result, the Israeli government publicly stated that peace couldn’t exist even if both sides signed the agreement, due to the stance taken by Hamas and Hezbollah

              Some light reading:

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_peace_process#:~:text=2 June 2014.-,Abbas’ 2014 peace plan,East Jerusalem as Palestine’s capital.

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                The quote you’re using is from the 2010-2011 peace talks. The reason those broke down is as follows:

                Direct talks broke down in late September 2010 when an Israeli partial moratorium on settlement construction in the West Bank expired and Netanyahu refused to extend the freeze unless the Palestinian Authority recognized Israel as a Jewish State, while the Palestinian leadership refused to continue negotiating unless Israel extended the moratorium.[3] The proposal was rejected by the Palestinian leadership, that stressed that the topic on the Jewishness of the state has nothing to do with the building freeze. The decision of Netanyahu on the freeze was criticized by European countries and the United States.

                In regards to Oslo and the 2014 peace talks:

                2014:

                A deadline was set for establishing a broad outline for an agreement by 29 April 2014. On the expiry of the deadline, negotiations collapsed, with the US Special Envoy Indyk reportedly assigning blame mainly to Israel, while the US State Department insisting no one side was to blame but that “both sides did things that were incredibly unhelpful.”

                Oslo: Both Oslo accords were signed, however,

                the interim process put in place under Oslo had fulfilled neither Israeli nor Palestinian expectations.

                This led to the Camp David Accords where the main issues and points seemed to be the following:

                the refusal of the Palestinians and Arafat to give up the right of return

                Judged from the perspective of Palestinians’ and Israelis’ respective rights under international law, all the concessions at Camp David came from the Palestinian side, none from the Israeli side.

                the Palestinians starting position was at the 1967 borders, but they were ready to give up Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, and parts of the West Bank with Israeli settlements. Further, the Palestinians were willing to implement Right of Return in a way that guaranteed Israel’s demographic interests.

                The proposals were, for the most part, verbal. As no agreement was reached and there is no official written record of the proposals, some ambiguity remains over details of the positions of the parties on specific issues.

                The talks ultimately failed to reach agreement on the final status issues: Territory, Territorial contiguity, Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, Refugees and Palestinian right of return, Security arrangements, Settlements

                To summarize the 2010-11 peace talks broke down due to Israel not abiding by the terms of the negotiation. The 2014 talks are debated with more blame seeming to be placed on Israel. The Oslo accords were signed but left unresolved and unfollowed by Israel leading to the camp David accords where the main issue seems to be the right of return for the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were displaced. However, who actually ended the talks is still debated.

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                  While you actually knowing the events is great, your analysis is really flawed by your biases.

                  Palestinians have nothing to bargain with. Refusing to even recognize Israel’s statehood is a non-starter. It’s essentially just a giant “fuck off” sign

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                Nothing in your post is citation, and all of it is made up.

                Lmfao. It was Netenyahu that stopped negotiations when he was elected in 1996.

                Also it literally says in the article you sent: “Both sides claim the other dropped follow-up contacts”.

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    Disclamer! don’t look for hidden meaning, I’m honestly currious. Why isn’t Gaza supplied by sea yet ? Are those waters too shallow or something ? Iran and other Hammas allies could send them fuel, food etc by sea.
    Also why are they digging those tunnels , can’t the supplies be brought through as well ?
    Edit: I don’t mean secret military supplies, but rather humatiarian help that can go under official UN flag or similar organization .

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      Why isn’t Gaza supplied by sea yet

      You’d have to shoot your way through the Israeli navy. And they have German submarines so, basically, forget it: They can shoot at you while you can’t even see them. Ask US carrier group admirals about their experiences with those subs in training manoeuvres.

      Also why are they digging those tunnels , can’t the supplies be brought through as well ?

      The tunnels are Hamas-controlled and supplying Hamas isn’t exactly the goal of the UN.

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        The tunnels are Hamas-controlled and supplying Hamas isn’t exactly the goal of the UN.

        I meant basic supplies for civilians. Obviously UN won’t supply Hammas but Hammas says they are the just guys so they could open the tunnel or two for UN.

        You’d have to shoot your way through the Israeli navy.

        I meant basic supplies for civilians which could go under UN flag. I admit that mentioning Iran etc was missleading into military support. But for offIcial UN mission, I somehow doubt that US, Nato or even Israeli navy would sink aNY ship that has blue helmets on the board on humanitarian mission.

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        Ask US carrier group admirals about their experiences with those subs in training manoeuvres.

        more info pls

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    UNITED NATIONS, Oct 24 (Reuters) - Twenty trucks were unable to transport aid to Palestinian civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip on Tuesday, the United Nations said as U.S. President Joe Biden dubbed humanitarian efforts to deliver help via a crossing from Egypt as “not fast enough.”

    “We hope the materials can enter Gaza tomorrow,” said U.N. aid spokesperson Eri Kaneko.

    It has become the focus of efforts to deliver aid since Israel imposed a “total siege” of the enclave in retaliation for an attack by Hamas militants on Oct. 7.

    Senior U.N. aid official Lynn Hastings had earlier told the Security Council that 20 trucks were due to cross on Tuesday.

    White House national security spokesman John Kirby on Tuesday described Israel’s concerns as legitimate.

    The U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinians in Gaza, UNRWA, warned on Tuesday that it would have to halt its operations on Wednesday night if there were no fuel deliveries.


    The original article contains 385 words, the summary contains 156 words. Saved 59%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    The UN should revoke Israel’s founding charter, they’ve gone rogue and need to be brought to heel.

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      Because Reuters tries to maintain factual and neutral reporting of information. And the Israeli defense forces do not put quotes in their own name