I do definitely appreciate the effort you put into writing this answer. Though I am much more aware of stuff related to the EZLN than Rojava (due to languages) I can speak a bit more on them. I first would like to clear up that I support both countries critically. I would argue that both are mostly worker controlled states but with the means of production not necessarily fully owned due to the existence of private business within them. Particularly with reference to Rojava, it is in fact commune based but in a sense more of a utopian based system around a mixed system. However, they do have some serious question that arise, such as their cooperation with the United States even when it comes to other things besides resistance to ISIS. Id say that (after thinking about the definitions more after writing that and reading about both of them a good part of the day) that perhaps, yes, you could call them socialism but it would be a bit more of an Owenian or Ricardian socialism. Thank you again for writing this up as I do appreciate it. I will look into Ocalan’s writings a bit more and read some of his stuff as it is true I should educate myself more on Rojava in particular.