From what I can tell, the average ABC worker is on the right side of this. But ABC management seems to have a direct line to the genocide supporters. And when the Israel lobbyists tell Kim Williams (or formerly Ita Buttrose) to jump, he (she) asks “how high?” We only need look at the Lattouf case or, less sensationally, Sandy Gutman, to see that.
That’s why what repeatedly happens is the right thing happens at first. Then management gets wind of it, usually because of DMs from lobbyists, and orders a reversal.
In this case, I think what probably happened is it got uploaded as normal. Because that’s what they do. Any vaguely interesting segment of television gets uploaded to their website and iView. Then the Israel lobby saw it, saw that he was calling out their genocide, and got on the like to Williams or Hugh Marks or someone else on the board or management, and they sent down the instruction to nix it.
Maybe. I couldn’t find the report if it did, but that’s not a huge surprise given how hard this is to google for.
I’d be extra interested if it happened under the current Media Watch host, who has ties to zionist organisations (he studied at Moriah College, a member of the zionist “Jewish Communal Appeal”), and started on Media Watch in February or March this year.
It was under Besser, in just his second episode. They investigated the way ABC management handled criticism over Antoinette Lattouf’s social media comments, which I guess you’re already familiar with given you referenced this previously.
From what I can tell, the average ABC worker is on the right side of this.
The average worker is Left wing and therefore agrees with Hamas’ position. I am Left but often disagree with them on the Gaza issues. In fact their dodgy reporting on Al Ahli hospital early on lost them their credibility.
I have not seen any news organisation consistently report “fairly”. The only example of even-handedness was a pair of entries from a blogger a couple of months into the war (probably still valid - let me know if it has dated)…
I think it’s very important to start from the place of acknowledging that nothing Hamas does or has done is relevant. Whether someone condemns Hamas or wholeheartedly supports them, or (as most people probably do) sit somewhere in between, really doesn’t matter. Because genocide is absolutely, totally, inexcusable. Even if Hamas were committing genocide themselves, that does not excuse Israel’s genocide. And the fact is that Hamas isn’t committing genocide. They literally could not if they wanted to. They haven’t the power necessary for it.
Any organisation that is censoring people who accuse Israel of genocide, or who play whataboutism games by trying to ensure that condemnations of Israel are always followed by condemnations of Hamas, are abetting genocide.
Stop the whataboutism. Stop defending genocide. Nothing Hamas does or could do can defend genocide.
But if you really want to play that game: everything Hamas does is also Israel’s fault. Israel created Hamas. They funded Hamas deliberately as a way to destabilise the Palestinians. They create oppressive conditions in which a militant organisation like Hamas is bound to thrive. Everything that Hamas does is a predictable outcome of Israel’s actions, and the ultimate blame lies squarely on them.
But again, that’s irrelevant. Because even if Hamas’s own actions weren’t Israel’s fault, Israel’s actions obviously are. Murdering children, doctors, and journalists by the hundreds are classic fascist moves. Displacing people en mass from their homes is genocide. Collective punishment is a war crime. Deliberately starving people is a war crime. Stop defending genocide.
Senior Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri… [in an] interview, which aired on a Libyan television channel… referred with indifference to the number of Palestinians who have been killed in the Gaza war, calling this “the price we have to pay,” and remarked that the women of Gaza will compensate for the loss by “producing” more babies than those who have been killed.
ProPals throw accusations of “whataboutism” when someone tries to discuss nuance as often as Zionists throw “anti-Semitism” when they are criticised.
The two points remain unaddressed by you:
Hamas hijack aid and are complaining now that IDF wants to control the distribution to prevent this.
Hamas could surrender for a swift end to the war.
everything Hamas does is also lsrael’s fault. lsrael created Hamas. They funded Hamas deliberately as a way to destabilise the Palestinians.
Indeed. Bibi favoured Hamas over Fatah and for cynical reasons as you point out. You are not talking to a one-eyed football mentality person.
Hamas (being right wing fascists like Likud) should have known the consequences of Oct 7 well in advance but they naively thought they could rally Arab neighbours to battle like in the past.
Hamas hijack aid and are complaining now that IDF wants to control the distribution to prevent this.
If the Israeli’s had shown an ounce of good faith actions throughout this whole horrible period, then maybe this demand would be less critically read.
But as it stands they have constricted supply of food, electricity and everything else as much as they can, restricted the water supply to, i think, one desal plant, don’t let journalists (even target them) in for a less biased appraisal of whats going on, continually attack the UN and International court for their calls for investigations, attack medical workers, as well as killing, through, bombs or other means, the Palestinians en-masse no matter their gender, age, or relation to their so called enemy Hamas.
Multiple internal surveys of Israeli public opinion paint a putrid picture of the overall societies vision for the ongoing survival of the Palestinian people.
And so, after all of this, the international community is supposed to trust the Israelis will act in good faith and fair dealing in their distribution of aid and resources?
No, what Israel and The US are doing is catastrophically bad. It is exactly what my comment warned against.
Israel cannot be trusted to deliver anything for the Palestinians in good faith. What happens as soon as the world’s eyes shift.
The Israeli’s cannot be trusted to be fair minded on this issue for the same reason victims of rape cannot be allowed to name the sentence of their rapist. An impartial party that can as genuinely as possible guarantee the actual aid delivery in the amounts is needed.
I think that video is shot like its a PR stunt, but it doesn’t even matter if its real, fake, a PR stunt, or the sign of a genuine change. There can be no genuine assurances while the Israelis and the US allies control the aid flow, there is no impartiality, and every reason for them to use the aid to maximise their own benefit. Its grotesque that this needs to be explained.
These quotes are from your linked article, and summarise the issue well,
Jens Laerke, spokesperson for the UN aid coordination office, OCHA: “It is a distraction from what is actually needed, which is a reopening of all the crossings into Gaza, a secure environment within Gaza and faster facilitation of permissions and final approvals of all the emergency supplies that we have just outside the border; [aid] needs to get in.”
UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini was equally blunt. “This new aid model is not only wasteful but a distraction from atrocities,” he told Reuters. The GHF system, Lazzarini argued, circumvents established humanitarian norms and risks using food as a weapon of population control.
You’re not understanding. Theres a point when the crimes become so heinous that it doesn’t matter what justification they claim, no justification is sufficient. Israel has passed that point, a long time ago in my opinion.
October 7th was heinous and likewise Hamas’ crimes have no justification. That doesn’t somehow ameliorate or absolve the Israelis of the crimes they’re committing.
The difference between the two groups from an Australian perspective is, Israel is a so called liberal democratic nation and has been an erstwhile ally of Australia due to our percieved alignment in values.
What they are doing to Palestinians is so against these ideals that it must call into question our relationship with them.
In Hamas’ case Australia has next to no relationship with, so our reaction to their behaviour is more simple, as its a contnuation of our determinations of them as a group.
And you want what? Israel to roll over and allow continuous repeats of Oct 7 (which Hamas vowed to do, on the record)?
Here is a more mature argument you could have used against me: How would Israel know if all of Hamas surrendered anyhow? What could possibly count as a surrender?
From what I can tell, the average ABC worker is on the right side of this. But ABC management seems to have a direct line to the genocide supporters. And when the Israel lobbyists tell Kim Williams (or formerly Ita Buttrose) to jump, he (she) asks “how high?” We only need look at the Lattouf case or, less sensationally, Sandy Gutman, to see that.
That’s why what repeatedly happens is the right thing happens at first. Then management gets wind of it, usually because of DMs from lobbyists, and orders a reversal.
In this case, I think what probably happened is it got uploaded as normal. Because that’s what they do. Any vaguely interesting segment of television gets uploaded to their website and iView. Then the Israel lobby saw it, saw that he was calling out their genocide, and got on the like to Williams or Hugh Marks or someone else on the board or management, and they sent down the instruction to nix it.
Didn’t Media Watch report on this exact phenomenon earlier this year?
Maybe. I couldn’t find the report if it did, but that’s not a huge surprise given how hard this is to google for.
I’d be extra interested if it happened under the current Media Watch host, who has ties to zionist organisations (he studied at Moriah College, a member of the zionist “Jewish Communal Appeal”), and started on Media Watch in February or March this year.
It was under Besser, in just his second episode. They investigated the way ABC management handled criticism over Antoinette Lattouf’s social media comments, which I guess you’re already familiar with given you referenced this previously.
Oh nice, thanks. Just watched that segment and he really didn’t pull his punches.
Yeah I was already familiar, from other news articles and from watching some of the case (the court case was broadcast on YouTube).
The average worker is Left wing and therefore agrees with Hamas’ position. I am Left but often disagree with them on the Gaza issues. In fact their dodgy reporting on Al Ahli hospital early on lost them their credibility.
I have not seen any news organisation consistently report “fairly”. The only example of even-handedness was a pair of entries from a blogger a couple of months into the war (probably still valid - let me know if it has dated)…
https://yoavfisher.medium.com/israel-has-lost-the-war-d7b9b3934f73
https://yoavfisher.medium.com/hamas-has-lost-the-war-5bea9813fcf3
I think it’s very important to start from the place of acknowledging that nothing Hamas does or has done is relevant. Whether someone condemns Hamas or wholeheartedly supports them, or (as most people probably do) sit somewhere in between, really doesn’t matter. Because genocide is absolutely, totally, inexcusable. Even if Hamas were committing genocide themselves, that does not excuse Israel’s genocide. And the fact is that Hamas isn’t committing genocide. They literally could not if they wanted to. They haven’t the power necessary for it.
Any organisation that is censoring people who accuse Israel of genocide, or who play whataboutism games by trying to ensure that condemnations of Israel are always followed by condemnations of Hamas, are abetting genocide.
This meme summarises it nicely.
That meme ignores Hamas hijacking aid.
Hamas could just surrender.
Stop the whataboutism. Stop defending genocide. Nothing Hamas does or could do can defend genocide.
But if you really want to play that game: everything Hamas does is also Israel’s fault. Israel created Hamas. They funded Hamas deliberately as a way to destabilise the Palestinians. They create oppressive conditions in which a militant organisation like Hamas is bound to thrive. Everything that Hamas does is a predictable outcome of Israel’s actions, and the ultimate blame lies squarely on them.
But again, that’s irrelevant. Because even if Hamas’s own actions weren’t Israel’s fault, Israel’s actions obviously are. Murdering children, doctors, and journalists by the hundreds are classic fascist moves. Displacing people en mass from their homes is genocide. Collective punishment is a war crime. Deliberately starving people is a war crime. Stop defending genocide.
Senior Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri… [in an] interview, which aired on a Libyan television channel… referred with indifference to the number of Palestinians who have been killed in the Gaza war, calling this “the price we have to pay,” and remarked that the women of Gaza will compensate for the loss by “producing” more babies than those who have been killed.
https://www.memri.org/reports/gazans-furious-hamas-it-has-nothing-contempt-victims-war-and-prepared-sacrifice-us-all
ProPals throw accusations of “whataboutism” when someone tries to discuss nuance as often as Zionists throw “anti-Semitism” when they are criticised.
The two points remain unaddressed by you:
Hamas hijack aid and are complaining now that IDF wants to control the distribution to prevent this.
Hamas could surrender for a swift end to the war.
Indeed. Bibi favoured Hamas over Fatah and for cynical reasons as you point out. You are not talking to a one-eyed football mentality person.
Hamas (being right wing fascists like Likud) should have known the consequences of Oct 7 well in advance but they naively thought they could rally Arab neighbours to battle like in the past.
If the Israeli’s had shown an ounce of good faith actions throughout this whole horrible period, then maybe this demand would be less critically read.
But as it stands they have constricted supply of food, electricity and everything else as much as they can, restricted the water supply to, i think, one desal plant, don’t let journalists (even target them) in for a less biased appraisal of whats going on, continually attack the UN and International court for their calls for investigations, attack medical workers, as well as killing, through, bombs or other means, the Palestinians en-masse no matter their gender, age, or relation to their so called enemy Hamas.
Multiple internal surveys of Israeli public opinion paint a putrid picture of the overall societies vision for the ongoing survival of the Palestinian people.
And so, after all of this, the international community is supposed to trust the Israelis will act in good faith and fair dealing in their distribution of aid and resources?
I think not.
Luckily the distribution seems to be going well though. That is a good thing, yes?
No, what Israel and The US are doing is catastrophically bad. It is exactly what my comment warned against.
Israel cannot be trusted to deliver anything for the Palestinians in good faith. What happens as soon as the world’s eyes shift.
The Israeli’s cannot be trusted to be fair minded on this issue for the same reason victims of rape cannot be allowed to name the sentence of their rapist. An impartial party that can as genuinely as possible guarantee the actual aid delivery in the amounts is needed.
I think that video is shot like its a PR stunt, but it doesn’t even matter if its real, fake, a PR stunt, or the sign of a genuine change. There can be no genuine assurances while the Israelis and the US allies control the aid flow, there is no impartiality, and every reason for them to use the aid to maximise their own benefit. Its grotesque that this needs to be explained.
These quotes are from your linked article, and summarise the issue well,
You’re not understanding. Theres a point when the crimes become so heinous that it doesn’t matter what justification they claim, no justification is sufficient. Israel has passed that point, a long time ago in my opinion.
October 7th was heinous and likewise Hamas’ crimes have no justification. That doesn’t somehow ameliorate or absolve the Israelis of the crimes they’re committing.
The difference between the two groups from an Australian perspective is, Israel is a so called liberal democratic nation and has been an erstwhile ally of Australia due to our percieved alignment in values.
What they are doing to Palestinians is so against these ideals that it must call into question our relationship with them.
In Hamas’ case Australia has next to no relationship with, so our reaction to their behaviour is more simple, as its a contnuation of our determinations of them as a group.
ah yes “stop making me hit you, just do what I say! this is all your fault!”
And you want what? Israel to roll over and allow continuous repeats of Oct 7 (which Hamas vowed to do, on the record)?
Here is a more mature argument you could have used against me: How would Israel know if all of Hamas surrendered anyhow? What could possibly count as a surrender?