• Stamets [Mirror]@startrek.websiteOP
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    1 year ago

    Well consciousness is just chemical and electrical impulses. If you manage to re-create everything down to the molecule in the right area then you could completely rebuild the consciousness. Also means you’d be able to completely manipulate memories, experiences, basically anything held in the brain. Provided you had an intense enough neural mapping and deep enough understanding of the human brain to accomplish that. Luckily in the Trek universe, at least at the time of the 24th/25th century, that isn’t possible.

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      Also means you’d be able to completely manipulate memories, experiences, basically anything held in the brain.

      That’s assuming you know which exact parts do exactly what. Kinda like an encrypted zip file versus an unencrypted one.

      You edit whatever set of bits/bytes you want in both, but only in one of them will you actually know whats going on.

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      Your current consciousness, the one you are thinking with right now, would end.

      A clone of you would go on at the transport site, fully believing that it is you, and that everything was fine.

      Reconstructive teleportation is just remote replicators with mind control.

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        1 year ago

        Feel free to prove the discontinuation of consciousness scientifically while satisfying all philosophic schools of thought on the matter.

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          Easy, build the clone without destroying the original, then test if they share perceptions and memories. Show one a playing card and ask the other what card it was or something. Proving that two people don’t have the same consciousness is pretty trivial, and I don’t know of any philosophical schools that would dispute that.

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            It seems a silly question to ask, but interesting to think about because I can’t think of a way to prove the intuitively obvious answer: how does one know that the duplicate doesn’t somehow inherit the original consciousness, and some new one with the memories and personality of it doesn’t get immediately generated in the original body?

            My point is meant to be, that proving that two duplicates are not the same people as eachother, is not quite the same thing as proving that a duplicate is not the original person.

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              how does one know that the duplicate doesn’t somehow inherit the original consciousness, and some new one with the memories and personality of it doesn’t get immediately generated in the original body?

              Consciousness is brain activity. New brain = new activity = new consciousness.

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                The activity of something is essentially information (consider how computer programs are ultimately just the activity of the components of a computer). If I copy information from one substrate to another, and do so with no changes, I don’t have any new information. Applying that back to brains, assuming that consciousness really is only brain activity (which seems highly likely, but since we don’t really understand the nature of consciousness, isn’t completely proven), then I’d disagree with the new brain= new activity step

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                  If I copy information from one substrate to another, and do so with no changes, I don’t have any new information.

                  But you have a different instance of it. If there were no distinction, copyright wouldn’t exist.

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        Your current consciousness, the one you are thinking with right now, would end.

        Same thing happens every time you go to sleep. If your consciousness exists you exist, right down to you worrying about continuity of consciousness.