I get what he’s saying, but I just think that adding screens wherever I want them e.g. above me while lying down while still feeling in my own environment sounds way better than entering some other VR space entirely
I agree with him. I find it amusing that in all the videos of Apple’s headset, the homes portrayed are nothing like a normal home. It’s always this stylish, spacious minimalistic home that none of us normally has.
Projecting a virtual screen in my actual, real home would be a very different experience that what they show in their videos. I would probably have more interest in getting away from it in a virtual world than embellishing it with virtual elements.
if you’re buying an apple hmd of any hmd you are of no doubt the type of person who lives in a place of luxury though. 3.5K USD is no joke, you can get like 4 full index systems with base stations and touch controllers for that price.
Yes, I agree. Like those first gen gold Apple Watches, Apple first generation of products (at least as of late) tend to be directed to developers or people with lots of disposable income. Then prices start to drop, and get more into the general public levels (though still on the premium side).
I think I disagree, I live in an apt that’s by no means luxurious. I’ve spent some time in VR and there’s just so long I’d be willing to spend in a fully virtual space. If you have dogs or people around you, you fully isolate yourself from them. If you want a cup of coffee or a glass of water the context switch could become a small inconvenience, etc for other small everyday stuff that VR hinders.
But I totally get what you’re saying and I’d love to have the option of both, but that kind of necessitates that AR tech advances as well as VR.
Yeah, one of the things I’m not convinced about that Apple device is that, if I want to share a moment with my son or my cats, I don’t like any kind of device to interfere with it. I’m bothered even by smartphones. My moments are mine, and I’m free to isolate myself if I want (it’s normally what I want). And my shared moments are dedicated to those I share them with, without any technological clutch in the way. Maybe that’s why I agree with Carmack.
i don’t think he’s saying there’s no value in AR, I just took from his quote that, the fact that it has to conform itself to your current restricted environment is an extreme limiting factor that VR can mostly better emulate with a simulated environment of similar layout anyway. there really are limited applications for successful MR where you can interact with your restricted environment safely and in a way that’s more interesting than entirely virtualized besides pokemon go or something like that
That depends on why you’re using it, for displaying close range real world into that’s exactly what you want but for prepackaged multimedia experiences (games and other stuff like remote interaction) it doesn’t fit as cleanly, and he’s probably only thinking about the latter.
Mixed reality is excellent for tracking inventory (including at home, finding where you left your stuff), checking the status of and controlling networked devices, navigation, physical coordination, visual guides (especially if they can map onto the objects in front of you), etc…
yes that’s what I mean, the applications of it mostly include enhancing the productivity of your current environment. things like projected statistics over a warehouse or something like that. but as a former gamedev I think carmack is thinking besides work apps if it’s training for pilots or surgeons or something like that I’d think you may as well go full virtual though. AI is likely going to be doing that stuff soon enough anyway
Or create a grid of 3x3 screens above your desk without the cost and bulkyness of mounting 9 physical screens on your desk. And once you’re done working you can use the desk for other stuff.
I get what he’s saying, but I just think that adding screens wherever I want them e.g. above me while lying down while still feeling in my own environment sounds way better than entering some other VR space entirely
I agree with him. I find it amusing that in all the videos of Apple’s headset, the homes portrayed are nothing like a normal home. It’s always this stylish, spacious minimalistic home that none of us normally has. Projecting a virtual screen in my actual, real home would be a very different experience that what they show in their videos. I would probably have more interest in getting away from it in a virtual world than embellishing it with virtual elements.
So yeah, Carmack has a point here, in my opinion.
The Apple device does support virtual screens, but it’s not what they’re focusing on
if you’re buying an apple hmd of any hmd you are of no doubt the type of person who lives in a place of luxury though. 3.5K USD is no joke, you can get like 4 full index systems with base stations and touch controllers for that price.
Yes, I agree. Like those first gen gold Apple Watches, Apple first generation of products (at least as of late) tend to be directed to developers or people with lots of disposable income. Then prices start to drop, and get more into the general public levels (though still on the premium side).
I think I disagree, I live in an apt that’s by no means luxurious. I’ve spent some time in VR and there’s just so long I’d be willing to spend in a fully virtual space. If you have dogs or people around you, you fully isolate yourself from them. If you want a cup of coffee or a glass of water the context switch could become a small inconvenience, etc for other small everyday stuff that VR hinders.
But I totally get what you’re saying and I’d love to have the option of both, but that kind of necessitates that AR tech advances as well as VR.
Yeah, one of the things I’m not convinced about that Apple device is that, if I want to share a moment with my son or my cats, I don’t like any kind of device to interfere with it. I’m bothered even by smartphones. My moments are mine, and I’m free to isolate myself if I want (it’s normally what I want). And my shared moments are dedicated to those I share them with, without any technological clutch in the way. Maybe that’s why I agree with Carmack.
i don’t think he’s saying there’s no value in AR, I just took from his quote that, the fact that it has to conform itself to your current restricted environment is an extreme limiting factor that VR can mostly better emulate with a simulated environment of similar layout anyway. there really are limited applications for successful MR where you can interact with your restricted environment safely and in a way that’s more interesting than entirely virtualized besides pokemon go or something like that
That depends on why you’re using it, for displaying close range real world into that’s exactly what you want but for prepackaged multimedia experiences (games and other stuff like remote interaction) it doesn’t fit as cleanly, and he’s probably only thinking about the latter.
Mixed reality is excellent for tracking inventory (including at home, finding where you left your stuff), checking the status of and controlling networked devices, navigation, physical coordination, visual guides (especially if they can map onto the objects in front of you), etc…
yes that’s what I mean, the applications of it mostly include enhancing the productivity of your current environment. things like projected statistics over a warehouse or something like that. but as a former gamedev I think carmack is thinking besides work apps if it’s training for pilots or surgeons or something like that I’d think you may as well go full virtual though. AI is likely going to be doing that stuff soon enough anyway
The other good thing about AR glasses is that it’s trivial to turn them into VR glasses
ever play the game heavy rain? the character norman Jayden had something perhaps similar to what you’re talking about in his ARI sunglasses.
https://youtu.be/SsQT3mbvVWY?feature=shared
Or create a grid of 3x3 screens above your desk without the cost and bulkyness of mounting 9 physical screens on your desk. And once you’re done working you can use the desk for other stuff.