I’m not trying to cause offence, but is there an ethical way to eat animals, or does it become unethical as soon as we have the means and ability to not do so?
It seams like for a lot of people, thier traditions and culture outweigh thier personal ethical benefits and thats the biggest problem that has to be overcome.
Some places do not allow for growing sufficient and complete protein to feed the population, for example Egypt or Bangladesh. It seems that the cultures might be harder to overcome in these places.
I was thinking maybe insects as a protein source would be a positive step for these locations. But thats obviously hard to overcome culturally. What do vegans think of eating insects?
Veganism seeks to exclude animal exploitation and cruelty as far as is possible and practicable.
For a Western audience, where one would have access to a well stocked supermarket, that would generally mean a complete boycott, but it does ultimately come down to the individual to decide what is and isn’t practicable. If you have nessary medication that contains animal products, or is tested on animals, for example, I don’t think you’d find anyone expecting you to give that up.
As for insects, they’re within the kingdom of Animalia, so yes, veganism applies to them too. That said, you can’t go through life without ever stepping on an ant, and I don’t know anyone who’d place the exact same value on an fly and a cow. One has a vastly more sophisticated brain and nervous system. That said, I generally don’t try to play “utilitarian calculus”.
at least the cat stretched its legs once or twice whereas the cows were stuck in torturous positions their entire miserable life, steeped in their own shit on the verge of suffocation due to crowding. its all fucked
This kinda hits different when you replace cats with cows.
If you’re killing the cow in the same way the people in those videos kill cats, then it doesn’t hit much different at all.
There’s definitely a line here, but I suspect that we disagree on where that line is.
If you think cows are killed in anything but abject horror, I’d recommend you at the very least watch Dominion, which was linked above.
I’m not trying to cause offence, but is there an ethical way to eat animals, or does it become unethical as soon as we have the means and ability to not do so?
It seams like for a lot of people, thier traditions and culture outweigh thier personal ethical benefits and thats the biggest problem that has to be overcome. Some places do not allow for growing sufficient and complete protein to feed the population, for example Egypt or Bangladesh. It seems that the cultures might be harder to overcome in these places.
I was thinking maybe insects as a protein source would be a positive step for these locations. But thats obviously hard to overcome culturally. What do vegans think of eating insects?
Veganism seeks to exclude animal exploitation and cruelty as far as is possible and practicable.
For a Western audience, where one would have access to a well stocked supermarket, that would generally mean a complete boycott, but it does ultimately come down to the individual to decide what is and isn’t practicable. If you have nessary medication that contains animal products, or is tested on animals, for example, I don’t think you’d find anyone expecting you to give that up.
As for insects, they’re within the kingdom of Animalia, so yes, veganism applies to them too. That said, you can’t go through life without ever stepping on an ant, and I don’t know anyone who’d place the exact same value on an fly and a cow. One has a vastly more sophisticated brain and nervous system. That said, I generally don’t try to play “utilitarian calculus”.
Ultimately it’s a “do your best” situation.
at least the cat stretched its legs once or twice whereas the cows were stuck in torturous positions their entire miserable life, steeped in their own shit on the verge of suffocation due to crowding. its all fucked
obligatory https://watchdominion.org/
Or replace cats with billionaires.
Fat cats