This is the same crime that Michael Cohen got three years in prison for. A crime he committed solely to benefit Trump. It makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense when you realize that the US punishment system is divided into two different systems.
You’re either in the system for those who happen to be rich, and are supporting the system, in which case you automatically get released with a slap on the wrist.
Or you’re rich or poor and happened to disagree with the status quo. In that instance you’ll be fed to the punishment meat grinder, having “the fictitious and imaginary book of laws” thrown at you for the harshest punishment that the US punishment system can imagine through “precedent.”
All you rich people who think you can break any law you want, let this be a
warningroadmapAnd don’t be thinking you can just get away with it either.
You will also be congratulated for doing so, and maybe even rewarded.
The only thing rich people are afraid of is getting pinned for child sex crimes. Anything else, they care less.
No, they do that, too. Trump has done that. And the right falls all over themselves to minimize and refuse to investigate. As with climate change, if you don’t know, then nothing is your fault. Even if it’s your job to know.
I think the keyword there is pinned, which to me sounds like being found guilty and punished. How often does that part happen?
Andrew Tate just started his own political party… He’s following the roadmap
from Romania?
The rule of law means that no one is above the law, not even the president. If the president is above the law then we do not have the rule of law. Being labeled a felon is the idea of a punishment, but since there are no consequences to this sentencing there is no punishment.
At least imposing a fine would have been consistent with precedent. At that point it would have been an issue with our laws being to lenient. That would have been a much more easily remedied problem than doing away with the rule of law, a founding concept of modern western civilization.
The rule of law was dead when the Supreme Court ruled presidents have immunity for core constitutional responsibilities and presumed immunity for official acts in Trump v. United States. This is another nail in the coffin.
I have never heard of “unconditional discharge” being a possible sentence for a crime. It’s like they made it up just for Trump.
Cause the weenymunch judge pussed out on his judicial duties
we must be respectful of the office of the presidency
Why do we have to be when he wasnt?
Yeah it’s crazy. To me, respect for the presidency keeping it crime-free. People committing crimes in pursuit of the presidency or while in its office should be harshly prosecuted, not let off.
Not that I expected anything but this, but I’ll repeat what I said when Merchan announced the sentencing delay until after the election,
Fucking pussies…
He should resign, clearly he’s not fit for his position if he’ll allow himself to be intimidated into inaction.
I’m not making excuses for Judge Merchan, but it’s easy to say what you’re saying when you’re not personally dealing with a guy who can and will send an angry mob of violent nutjobs to your house. Something to keep in mind.
EDIT: Can folks please stop using the downvote as an “I disagree” button. I upvoted Admiral Patrick because they’re providing a meaningful contribution to discussion even if I disagree with the point. That’s why it’s called a discussion. They understand we disagree with our words, we don’t need to downvote them to hell to get that point across, jeeze.
With all due respect, Admiral Patrick, this is a democracy, and the people who take these positions knowingly take them being public positions. By virtue of being a public position, they are respondent to the public.
If it was an “angry mob” of protestors outside of Aileen Cannon’s house, I doubt we’d have the same issue with it, but law enforcement would.
If you take such a position and care more about your own life and skin then, in my humble opinion, you do not meed the bare minimum requirements for this position. This is a democracy and you are sacrificing yourself to the alter of the public good when you take such a job, up to and including dying to protect democracy.
You don’t say “well I need to roll over to protect myself” when the outcome means you’re letting all the most at risk suffer even worse under the thumb of someone like Trump. You just threw the weakest under the bus to save your own skin, which means you should have never been given the job to begin with, because you’re supposed to represent everyone, not just the wealthy and well-to-do. The weakest deserve your representation and this is an abdication of that representation which means they were unsuitable for the job to begin with.
Literally, every time someone bends over and gives in because Trump might hurt them personally, that’s just one cut among a death by a thousand cuts of our democracy. Each time they do it, they’re sacrificing a stable society in the future to save their skins now, which in my eyes, is cowardice and antithetical to the entire position they took in the system.
We are literally slipping into fascism because of decisions like these and I do not care about Merchan’s comfort when millions are suffering far worse than him, and he has just condemned them to worse by allowing this monster to walk free. He is literally telling us very clearly he values his own life more than the future of this country. He was no Nathan fucking Hale, that’s for god damned sure.
Nathan Hale: “I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country”
you guys turn on the downvote buttons ?
I’m on an instance that they don’t federate downvotes, but I had a sneaking suspicion and checked another instance and was correct. I hate seeing that same behavior here. Admiral Patrick is making a valid contribution, a viewpoint that is considering other people’s feelings and positions, and is trying to put themselves in someone else’s shoes to understand why they would be afraid in this situation. Every part of their post is made in good faith. Is that not enough to just get a neutral no-vote?
Oh, I get it, and I’d be scared as hell too. However, I can still say he should have done his duty and has failed to show the integrity that role requires. He could just as easily be presiding over a mob case, knowing that to convict a crime boss would mean similar threats to his and his family’s safety. What if he doesn’t do his duty then for the same reason? If that’s the best excuse, I still argue that he’s not fit for the job.
People shouldn’t get a pass just because they have power. All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing.
All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing.
We’ve literally watched it play out my entire adult life. The Republicans constantly win because the Democrats are do nothing motherfuckers who are more concerned with saving their own skins than any of their constituents.
Biden literally was given basically carte blanche to do whatever the fuck he wants by the Supreme Court. He could release Jack Smith’s report today, unredacted. It would be tied up in court for a decade to decide whether he broke the law or not. He would comfortably go to his deathbead before a decision was made.
Biden ain’t gonna release it because he’s committed to “nothing will fundamentally change.” Do nothing motherfuckers.
They addressed your point in the last sentence. If he’s too afraid to do his job, he should have recused himself.
When George Floyd was murdered they had a battalion n of police outside of the killer’s house to protect him. Why can’t they do the same here using the national guard if needed?
What a phenomenal argument for abandoning the rule of law in favor of terrorism.
So you’re saying if I’m indicted I should use violence instead of trusting the system.
Are you saying judges should be afraid to not do the right thing?
…A thought that hasn’t occurred to me until now: are we effectively living under mob rule?
They might not make up a majority of people, but maybe they command a majority of angry mobs willing to show up at your house?
You’ll have a felon in the WH. Great job, America!
In the race to the bottom, we’re taking the charge! USA! USA!
Prosecutors had recommended the sentence, saying in court Friday, “we must be respectful of the office of the presidency” and Trump’s pending inauguration.
What a fucking joke.
Judge Merchan is a fucking coward.
I understand the feeling, but I think this outcome is probably the best we could hope for, given the situation. If he had tried to impose fines or imprisonment, one of the higher courts would probably have intervened and the sentencing would never have happened.
That just means there’s more than one coward.
Not true. Their hands were tied. Same with the prosecutors. This was their best.
Yeah bullshit. This is something worth ending your career over. The judge should have done the right thing and accepted the consequences.
Probably because maga has started killing people.
That’s fine. If they want to start a war over their snowflake feelings let them. Giving away our freedoms to avoid a fight just guarantees someone can take all of your freedoms.
Ha ha ha, this country is a fucking joke on every level.
Ha ha ha 😭
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Mario, perhaps?
Copies are obviously the Waluigeon
I get that there was basically no chance that a sitting president was going to jail. But it’s not like making him pay a fine would have caused a constitutional crisis.
About the only good thing I can say about this is that it’s at least being honest about the complete lack of consequences.
If he had been fined, do you think he’d actually pay it? And what then? You can’t stick him in jail to make him pay it.
I think this was the real reason behind the decision. Any governmental punishment is ultimately backed by a threat of jail/prison for non-compliance, but if you can’t do that to the president, then he can just ignore it anyway.
As it is he is now required as a felon in NY to submit a DNA sample, which I am very doubtful he will do. Aint no way they’re going to he able to get him to even give up spit. So yeah, no way he would have given up actual money.
As a side note, if somehow he does submit a sample, imagine the chaos if the database got a hit on an open case. Absolute fantasy fodder, I know, but man would that be sweet.
It could just be that the fine would have been disturbingly low, and by fining that amount it would actually be more embarrassing than waving their hands and saying no punishment for supreme leader.
Fuck off with this president bullshit is above the law. God our country is so fucked. Can’t believe we rebeled against England for this shit.
“You see, it actually said ‘No! Taxation without representation!’”
We had a contest at my blog, predict the punishment Trump will get (not deserve). People guessed parole and fines and suspended sentences, and I’ve always predicted Trump would get no meaningful punishment, but I’ve never even heard of being “sentenced” to “unconditional discharge.” Basically, sentence to no sentence at all.
Wow, it is sure good to be white and rich and connected in America.
The system is working as intended.
I certainly hope the 1st World countries will not allow a convicted felon to cross their border.
