Summary

Mass graves uncovered in Syria after Bashar al-Assad’s overthrow reveal evidence of systematic atrocities, with over 100,000 people tortured and killed in what a top war crimes prosecutor described as the worst abuses “since the Nazis.”

Assad’s regime operated a “machinery of death,” involving mass disappearances, torture, and secret burials.

Rebel forces freed thousands of political prisoners, but many remain missing.

International efforts aim to document war crimes, though Assad, now in Russia, is unlikely to face trial.

  • kreskin@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    24 hours ago

    Hard to say if they Palestinian holocaust when the zionists wont allow people to be recovered from the rubble, use mass graves, and have been clearing rubble and not adding to the body count at all. They are hiding the numbers. Even hiding as much as possible its still about 50k.

    • barsoap@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      Finally, a comparison which doesn’t fall flat on its face like much of the rest of this thread. The intensity in Cambodia was extreme, it was under four years and 1.5 to three million killed, tortured, experimented upon, you name it. Even with everything else assumed equal the Assads were way slower at doing things.

    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      Or ISIS, literally in the same UN-recognised borders at the same time.

      I’m gonna chalk it up to this guy being a lawyer prosecuting a case.

  • BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    18
    ·
    3 days ago

    I really hope that there can be some sort of coalition for peace and recovery among the various Syrian forces now that Assad is out of power.

    • john89@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      edit-2
      3 days ago

      Mmm. We all know how this is going to go.

      The “good guys” are all of a sudden going to see the potential to have power over others, and then feel entitled to do whatever they can to maintain and expand that power.

      Before long, we have another Assad regime that’s different in name only.

      It’s a cultural problem, and greed is the root of it all.

  • vga@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    34
    ·
    edit-2
    3 days ago

    So really really bog standard socialist stuff.

    Why didn’t they compare it to Stalin? His worst abuses were after Nazis and it would’ve tracked more anyway because of the political angle and because both Stalin and al-Assad committed crimes on their “own people”.

    • fxomt@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      ·
      edit-2
      3 days ago

      The Ba’ath Party is as socialist as the nazi party. Hint: not at all.

      Genuinely curious, though. Socialism is when the workers own the means of production; How would that cause genocide in your opinion?

      • vga@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        16
        ·
        3 days ago

        Socialism is when the workers own the means of production; How would that cause genocide in your opinion?

        What do you mean, “would”?

        • fxomt@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          11
          ·
          3 days ago

          You implied that socialism kills. How?

          Perhaps you meant authoritarianism?

          • ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            3 days ago

            I’m on-side with socialism - but to be fair, most of the real world examples that call/called themselves socialist do have a pretty bad track record of descending into totalitarianism/authoritarianism.

            • Tja@programming.dev
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              ·
              3 days ago

              Most of western European governments are democratic socialist for like 50% of the time.

            • fxomt@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              3 days ago

              Yup, but those are intentional. That’s how an ML state functions. That’s why Marxism Leninism is a bad idea.

    • fxomt@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      edit-2
      3 days ago

      No one was saying that?

      I’m arab and even everyone that i know agrees the Ba’athists are straight up arab fascists.

      • Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        10
        ·
        edit-2
        3 days ago

        So, Arab regimes in Egypt and Jordan are not?

        They’re all engaged in human rights violations but Syria wasn’t a US client state so it gets the Hitler treatment.

        • fxomt@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          ·
          edit-2
          3 days ago

          Lmao, I literally never said that. I hate all the Arab dynasties just as much as Bashar, if not more. and Sisi is a moron.

          Quit your whataboutism. Assad is bad. Dictators are bad, no matter if they are pro or anti US.

          • Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            8
            ·
            3 days ago

            If they are pro US and kiss Israel’s ass their brutality is swept under the rug or whitewashed.

            You’ll never see articles like this for Sisi or King Tomato because the colonial powers are hypocrites. That’s my point.

            • fxomt@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              9
              ·
              edit-2
              3 days ago

              Sisi and king Abdullah (i assume that is “king tomato”) are morons, but they’re not even as close to the monster that is Assad. also, most westerners probably have a shallow understanding of middle eastern politics, and only knew Assad by name. but after the revolution, the horrors of his regime are finally becoming known globally. This is huge for everyone, especially for Syrians and us Arabs.

              Don’t try to sympathize with monsters, dude.

              • Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                10
                ·
                3 days ago

                Yeah so Pro US tyrants are “morons” but Assad is the most evil person ever (since Saddam Hussein presumably).

                Meanwhile Jolani is a cuddly jihadist who should be integrated into the West at light speed. The facts that he bends the knee to Israel while it is invading and bombing Syria is pure coincidence.

                • fxomt@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  8
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 days ago

                  Boy, you must be an Olympic champion at jumping to conclusions.

                  Sisi is evil and king Abdullah is a moron. there, better? but they haven’t committed crimes against humanity as bad as Bashar. They are tyrants. I’ll give you an example of another Pro-US tyrant who is evil. Mohammed bin Salman. I fucking hate his guts, not as much as Bashar, but i still want him gone. He has terrorized Saudi Arabia and drained our country and allocated it for himself and his megaprojects, and don’t even get me started on his human rights violations.

                  Literally where did I ever praise Jolani? I didn’t even bring him up. and where did I say that he should be integrated into the west? i don’t live in the west, i don’t care if he is integrated or not. fuck him, he can’t wash away his history with al-qaeda. But even he isn’t as bad as Bashar. that should tell you something about how evil Bashar actually is.

                  It may be a surprise to you, but have you considered that multiple things can be bad at once?

    • FantasticDonkey@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      3 days ago

      I sympathize with the message you want to bring across, what they do in Israel could never be the worst since the Nazis because they’re like us, they’re the only dem… I can’t even write that out because it’s such a propaganda lie, but yeah I get that.

      On the other hand let me just agree with the other guy that there are just shitty and shittier dictatorships in the Middle East. Some of them are aligned with the US, some with Russia, all of them are corrupt motherfuckers who belong in jail. Arab leaders have collectively betrayed their people and who knows if that region will ever be free of imperialist forces.

      • fxomt@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        3 days ago

        Jail would be a mercy for those bastards. Fuck anyone who supports any dictator here.

    • fxomt@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      3 days ago

      Are americans just not able to not bring up US politics in articles literally unrelated in any way? I’m pretty sure massacres, concentration camps, kidnappings, child soldiers, rapes, and ethnic cleansings are a little worse than trump’s 4 year term.

      All of that, just for wanting freedom and democracy. But it seems you people have a persecution fetish. Kinky.

      PS: I don’t support republicans, they are fascists, and i’m not saying that trump’s term will be all fine and dandy, but it doesn’t even compare to this.

    • Furball@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      12
      ·
      3 days ago

      I feel bad for people like you sometimes. I promise you the republicans are not going to create mass graves with up to 500,000 dead

      • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        edit-2
        3 days ago

        Robert Kennedy wants to bring back Polio.

        The Trump presidency will be littered with corpses.

      • jagged_circle@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 days ago

        Trump killed hundreds of thousands in his last presidency. He might break it this time if you combine both

        • LustyArgonian@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          2 days ago

          700k died because of Trump’s COVID policies. Including the bleach and ivermectin thing. It was so prevalent for him to kill his followers, a subreddit was made called the Herman Cain Award.

          Now, Trump wants to traffick/“deport” 25mil Latinos, majority Native American, Christian, and Catholic group. A real attack on Christianity and I haven’t heard a single Christian care. And he wanted to be able to traffick them out of the Bahamas to countries they didn’t originate from, until the Bahamas said no recently.

      • SelfProgrammed@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        3 days ago

        I would much rather be surrounded by the people you’re surrounded by than keep hearing those exact promises out of the people I’m surrounded by.