I don’t really remember any times being spanked, though I know I was. But I do remember the time my dad put my head through the drywall for reasons I don’t remember, and the savage beating my mom gave me when I told her I didn’t want to go to church anymore. Those definitely fucked me up. Especially the latter, when I got older and realized I was queer.
Preachers kid who also turned out to be queer. I was terrified of getting spanked. Years of my parents telling me my ass was part of my private area and no one should ever touch it then my father pulling my underwear down and spanking me seriously fucked me up.
Yeah, my mom was very violent, my second step dad as well. I remember the “look what you made me do”. The more I got beaten, the more my behaviour got worse.
I got placed into a foster home at 14 by childrens law (kinderrechter) because I came to school with bruises and black eyes, so my parents now are not welcome in my house or anywhere near my son…although they want to reconcile.
I have never beaten my kid and he is here at almost 20, loving his parents and doing alright. I learned from my upbringing never to beat my kid.
I am still seeing a shrink, depression from all that 40 years later. Fuck you if you beat your kids. You can set them straight by other means by taking away privileges, talking to them in a quite and composed manner, and show them ways how to do better.
I’m all for legitimate papers and research challenging my views, however what kind of journal is “Marriage and Family Review”? It seems to be a little confusing with the “Marriage and Family Journal” which has been around for over 100 years. The “Review” variants has only been around since the 70s.
It seems to be primarily published through Taylor and Francis which has a mixed reputation when searching online. For others out there who are familiar with this publisher, please set me straight if my doubt is misplaced.
This is one of those papers where I look forward to having the research reproduced again in more journals, to alleviate my skepticism.
I got spanked and even hit a time or two as a kid.
I turned out okay considering. Had kids and thought a spanking or two wasn’t bad considering what i went though so that’s the stance i took. Thankfully we had ip cams instead of video baby monitors when they were babies. $90 vs $350 at the time so that’s what we did. I set them up with my Synology to record continuously.
I watched a monster overreact to a common child reaction. [Not justifying just explaining (I was tired and thus had a short fuse as happens at times with young kids)] Thankfully two things had happened. (1) I had the IP camera recording everything that happened, (2) I wanted to see why my kid was acting up and make sure I was in the “right” to spank her. Spoiler, I was not. I saw an angry man react to a kid who didn’t want to do something.
I cried, because I was my father when I was punished unjustly as a kid. (There were times I actually was a shit head and it was warranted, but i also remember plenty of times it was not) That morning with my 2 year old it was not. Because of that day I no longer fell into the Spanking is okay for me group.
Don’t get me wrong I know there are times it can be helpful but I realized at that moment I was not a good judge of when those times were. This means I was no longer going to do it. That was me but I don’t judge other who only spank.
I got spanked and even hit a time or two as a kid.
I turned out okay considering.
Careful. This may be a story very common among boomers, gen-x and even older millennials, but it’s gonna get you reams of downvotes here from people whose terrible experience - to them - is universal.
(FWIW: army family. Lots of “explain yourself” and only rarely was the atom bomb used)
“Violence as a growth guide: a good thing?”
Hm, I wonder.
What does “effective” (ages 2 to 6) mean here? What do I want to show to a kid when I’m angry? That I resort to violence? Do people really think that kids don’t know that parents can be angry?
I cannot imagine one single reason to lose an argument to a 6 year-old kid, stop talking and just hit them.
You’re just a bad parent, if you do that. That’s all.
This study is really inconclusive and i bet we would not even talk about it if they had researched sexual violence. I think that recommending swats as a tool makes this whole study quite questionable. Seems like they went in with a certain goal of white washing spanking. There is no long term effects being watched for.
Yeah no, reading the article gives me all kinds of wrong vibes. Maybe my brain is wrong and should see sexual violence worse than physical violence but spanking childrens asses blurs that line i feel. I would rather have a undisciplined child than giving this form of discipline. Also i feel like people that do it will mostly resort as a often used tool, as it might feel effective (the child becomes afraid of miss stepping). But hey i think it is not wrong tondo research in these topics, i just hope people do not use it as an Excuse to be lazy about their tools.
I think you really hit one of my concerning points. A lot of people who defend spanking seem to be over enthusiastically defending spanking. I know parents who regret that they have to use physical force at times and struggle to use the minimum amount, and they shouldn’t be judged if they’re only using it to prevent immediate harm. But I regularly see people talking about spanking like they’re looking for an excuse. So often it seems to be a means of demonstrating power over a child or getting immediate relief from a child being frustrating.
And personally as a former little shit, I don’t think that the time my parents spanked me was on the list of things that fucked me up, hell I’m pretty sure I deserved it that time. But it also wasn’t what got me to behave. That was my mom creating an environment of trust and giving even handed punishments alongside discussions about why.
Idk I guess if this was like Dragonball z and we could put a power level on the spanking then maybe it makes sense? Like ok we’re going with a power level 5 spanking today out of 10000 lol idk though…some kids seem like they could use a spank on the bottom but I think that’s the extent it should go. When I see people hitting their kids in other ways I feel awful inside but a butt spank never seemed to bother me when I’ve seen it in action as long as it’s not like they are trying to hit the bell at the top of a carnival hammer game.
Some kids absolutely need to be spanked. I was one of them - timeouts did nothing. Taking things away did nothing. Getting the threat of being spanked? Definitely stopped me in my tracks. Actually getting spanked? That’s the last time I was going to try whatever stunt caused it.
My kids don’t need to be spanked and never have been, other methods have always worked to curb bad behavior. Anyone saying “spanking is never acceptable” has apparently never had a shithead boy who is unphased by other forms of punishment.
For adults wondering if it’s OK to spank: if you’re spanking your kid out of anger or it’s the first thing you turn to, you’re doing something very wrong. It should be the big red button of last resort.
Spanking is never okay.
Just because you are too stupid to see other ways to handle a literal child does not make it okay to hit said child.
Yes, even if you are referring to yourself as the child.And please just for a second think about the fact, that you only stated other forms of punishment as not working on you and didn’t even consider actual forms of pedagogical parenting, before you black out in anger that I called you stupid.
I didn’t even read the article as there are countless studies out already that comprehensively show that hitting children is always harmful and never useful.
Just because you are too stupid to see other ways to handle a literal child does not make it okay to hit said child.
While I shouldn’t feed the trolls, I’ll respond.
I do see other ways to handle children, I literally stated that, but you skipped that part because apparently you’re too lazy or too stupid to read an entire post and retain all the information contained within it. Which tracks the rest of your message. Now before you’re blinded by rage: it’s pretty obvious you aren’t a parent. it’s pretty obvious your exposure to kids is extremely limited. Your “countless studies” apparently amounted to: 0? Because you’re refuting an ACTUAL study with a post on lemmy that doesn’t include a SINGLE citation.
I’m not surprised you didn’t read the article, because you appear to be one of those fools that has the entire world solved, if only more people would listen to you. And it’s shocking they don’t, you’ve got such a persuasive means of communication.
