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    Thank god, for a second there I thought they meant “cracking down on people dodging Windows 11 by intentionally disabling TPM,” like I’ve been doing. False alarm, carry on.

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      That is half the reason I have it disabled on my desktop. The other half being that the BIOS updates never fixed the fTPM stuttering issues for my computer (both using the 3700X and 5800X) so the computer is unusable with it turned on.

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    If you’re using Windows 11 and not having a great time with it, there are ways to make the experience more pleasant. We’ve covered 14 tweaks to make Windows 11 better and how to remove Windows 11’s junk, which is a good start toward making an OS you enjoy.

    There’s another way…

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    So Microsoft wants to force everyone to ditch their perfectly good machines so they can make more money off of selling OEM licenses.

    I’m just waiting for Europe to sue their greedy asses for planned obsolescence.

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        Like what? I’m still using my 2011 MacBook Pro, and my phone is about six years old.

        I can’t update my 2011 MBP to the latest version of OSX, but it still works fantastically for everyday stuff. Phone can update to the next version of iOS.

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        Yeah as much as this sucks I honestly hope that Microsoft will actually take advantage of this and start moving legacy support into more specialized options.

        A lot of the reason windows is so janky at times is because of the insane obsession they have with backwards compatibility.

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          False.

          I work for Microsoft and I can assure you that any effort I make to increase code quality or reduce jank (or pretty much anything other than shoving more AI in our products) will not positively impact my bonus next year.

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            Are you working on Windows or another product? Also do you know why MS expects ROI for new Windows features ie. Amazon Appstore? Since Windows is a paid product (at least for OEMs) I would expect license income to sustain feature development.

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          Lol, worst take I have ever heard.

          1. Windows has no purpose these days outside backwards compatibility.

          2. Windows primarily sucks because of ads and forced updates, not jank.

          3. Microsoft exclusively deals in antiquated spaghetti code, removing backwards compatibility won’t change that.

          4. Microsoft has no interest in improving users experience they have invested entirely in squeezing in micro transactions not exactly a user first design philosophy.

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      At the very least, they should be releasing some “Lite” version for older hardware or something.

      It’s such a catch-22 with Linux, because you’re not going to see ads for it and most “normal” people don’t even know what it is (and that they have a viable alternative to Windows).

      I don’t want ads for Linux, but I wish there was a way to elevate it into the general public consciousness so people are aware that they even have an option. AND ITS FREE.

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      While I do agree that a lot of the PCs that are deemed not compatible is really stupid, there are people that are trying to use Windows 11 on devices that have no business running it, so this is partially to prevent their devices from getting infected with a virus or something

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        I’ve lost count of how many times Microsoft, and many other big tech companies, hindered me from doing something I wanted to do on a device that I own for “security” reasons while it had absolutely nothing to do with security and everything to do with forcing their users to comply with their business model.

        DRM chips have nothing to do with device security and everything to do with further controlling what you can and cannot do on your machine and making more money off of you.

        You really shouldn’t believe the Corporate bad faith arguments used to justify anti-consumer practices.

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          My job has radicalized me against windows, the settings are factory reset quite frequently due to updates or reimaging so I’m constantly resetting every single option just to get it back to a continent state (Who in their right mind thinks centered task bar icons is a good thing!?!?!)

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        Since when is having vulnerable hardware the business of the operating system? Sure, they’re allowed to do whatever they want, but it’s stupid. It’s your system. You should be able to try to run any software you want on it and the software shouldn’t care (unless it just literally can’t work, not a software check to make it not work).

        I’m on Linux only though, so I may be biased. I think I own my computer and you may not agree with that.

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        Why won’t they get a virus or something on Windows 10 with that same hardware?

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    “By god we have got to stop people from using Windows!”

    Uh. Yes. Do that.

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    And here I am using a modern Linux OS on a 15 year old desktop without any issues or nagging to log into an online account or to backup all my shit to some server, open to hackers, in windows world.

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    wants people to use windows 11 make it difficult to use windows 11 people find ways to use windows 11 anyway (what you wanted in the first place) punish them for using windows 11

    ???

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      People that are running a windows modified to disable the hardware eligibility checks are probably also disabling/deleting the telemetry and activation checks.

      Microsoft doesn’t want you to use windows 11, they want your money and data.

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        Which is why I dropped windows after 7 and went linux. Telemetry bullshit was odious in 10, but in 11 the spyware is basically one of the core functions/purposes.

        Its why they pushed Windows 11 for free. Cause its not the product, you are.

        Theres more money to be made in monetizing your daily using habits and selling them (and serving you tons of ads), than there is in making you pay 150-200 bucks for the new OS once.

        And that new direction and drive radically alters how they develop the OS, and how you, the user, may interact with it. Which is why Windows is on the path of becoming a walled garden experience, with strict controls for “Security” (I.E. to keep you from doing anything that might impede their harvesting of data)

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      Greed.

      Sure, they want you to run Win11, but chances are you’re already running it, or at least Win10, so there’s not much to gain there.

      By making higher requirements for Win11 than neccessary Microsoft makes a killing on Windows licences.

      OEMs have to pay Microsoft for keys. And for MS to make money off of keys, OEMs need to make more PCs. And how does MS force/incentivise them to do that? By 80% of the Win10 PCs incompatible with Win11.

      Oh, and also, now they get to push their Copilot key as well.

      Microsoft has a vested interest in PC sales not stagnating any more than they do, and sometimes it takes an artificial push to make that a reality.

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    If you must use Windows, download it legitimately from MS website. Use RUFUS to burn the ISO image to a USB. Remove the restrictions you hate.

    Dual boot a Linux variant, and move over apps at your leisure, until you are no longer Win OS dependent.

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      I just moved to Linux and started fresh.

      The big mental change was instead of searching “sony vegas on linux please” I just started searching for “video editing software Linux”, and take any possible limitations and live with them, as I know it’s only temporary until Linux catches on.

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        What exactly do you mean, Linux had been "catching on’ since decades, you may need to wait for a while…

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      I preferred to do Windows as a VM personally. Dual boot cost me a year before my Linux switch BC it was easier to boot Windows when I needed it. With VM I could do mostly Linux with maybe just vm to open a word doc if I needed it.

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    The thing that I don’t understand is that, if this is such a big problem for Microsoft, why not just remove the system requirements or at least make an alternative version of Windows 11 that, even if it lacks certain features, doesn’t have those requirements?

    Microsoft wants people to switch to Windows 11 but a majority stay with Windows 10 because their systems don’t have what’s required and they’re either not willing to use Linux or they can’t for what ever their reason is. Making Windows 11 more accessible to Windows 10 users would fix this problem for most users but they’re not for some reason. I know they’re Microsoft and Microsoft doesn’t care about their users but they’re seemingly willing to lose a significant portion of their users over something so insignificant, which is out of character for Microsoft.

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      I’d guess it’s corporate circlejerk - they probably made deals with hardware manufacturers who are annoyed people are not replacing their perfectly functional systems with new ones. Windows gets pre-installed on new systems, and in exchange windows requires new things forcing people to upgrade their old systems - or be locked out of the most popular OS in the world.

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        This right here, the whole tpm requirement was most likely pushed from OEM’s wanting to sell new hardware.

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      How does that make any sense? Does Microsoft get a cut of sales for component upgrades?

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        Any new computer sold that has a copy of Windows preinstalled means Microsoft is getting a cut.

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          Obviously, but we’re talking about a really, really small subset of users that probably would earn Microsoft less than a week of coffee in their corporate office.

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          Are they still doing that thing where OEMs pay licenses based on units sold regardless of OS? So even if you want Linux, they still have to pay for windows?

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        This question makes no sense.

        Most Windows users are not technical enough to do component upgrades. And yes they get money from new system sales.

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          People who are technical enough to get around the system requirements to install windows 11 on a system that doesn’t meet the minimum requirements is most likely technical enough to upgrade their own computer.

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        people can’t upgrade.

        people see their computer isn’t supported.

        people buy a new computer.

        oems license windows.

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    Well, they won’t be able to sell as many new computers if they let people keep using their old ones.

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      Microsoft still makes money off the OEM licenses AFAIK. The Linux community had a whole day about this back in the 90s.

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          I know, just clarifying that their main business isn’t selling hardware.

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              The comment was about selling new computers and not using old ones. They want to sell more software, they aren’t hardware focused.

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                And that comment was 100% correct. They want more computers sold, because more computers sold means more Windows licences sold.

                You’re acting like PC hardware sales are unrelated to Windows license sales. They’re directly related.

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                  Here’s the quote:

                  they won’t be able to sell as many new computers

                  Their sales of hardware are insignificant.

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    I installed Linux mint on my laptop the other day because of various sustained long term annoyances with Windows. Despite some minor hiccups it only took about 30 minutes. It’s been such a great experience so far.

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      I’ve been on EndeavourOS (basically Arch… btw…) for about a year and a half now, and I absolutely love it. I will never use Windows by choice again.

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      Did the same on my desktop computer two weeks ago, everything else is already on Linux (servers and laptops).

      I am fed up on Microsoft shenanigans with windows.

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    Is there a way to make my PC seemingly not support Windows 11 so the annoying update nags go away? I’ll never use that shit OS.

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      A few of my boxes have 7th gen processors. I get the nags and then it comes up and says oh sorry you’re not eligible.

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      You can set a registry value so that there is no upgrade to win 11, but I don’t know if it only works on enterprise.

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      I’ll never use that shit OS.

      Good luck come October of next year when Windows 10 goes EOL

      Personally I’m just treating Windows 11 as a 2025 kind of problem…

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        Ever more reason to switch to Linux sooner than later. Otherwise, Windows 10 LTSC or Pro for Workstation.

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        I’m hoping for Windows 12. Just like I skipped from Win 7 straight to 10, 8 was completely unusable.

        There’s a long term support version for 10 as well, until 2029. That would be the alternative, if whatever successor they choose is as bad or worse.

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        Yup, that did the trick for me. I actually tried to upgrade to Windows 11 from Windows 10, and it refused to saying my HW wasn’t good enough (1st gen Ryzen), I boot into my Linux partition and the problem goes away, no nags to install Windows 11, and I still get to play all the same games I did on Windows 10.

        Seems to be a pretty permanent solution so far. ;)