Even if you think racism is OK if it happens to be against a group you hate, it’s still not justifiable to ban someone for bringing it to the the attention of the administrators.
That would achieve nothing except make people afraid to alert the mods.
Heck, “privlaged black folk” doesnt sit well with me either.
Lets not mince words here, reguardless of skin color, privlage to not just visit but live in unreality is really sad. And like you’ve won when you see it shattered.
A black slave master is a tragity. “You came from our position, you know first hand our plights and were taken in by their games anyway.” A normal person says .
Is he a “black betrayor” or a “betrayor of his own community”?
It feels verry wrong to say these things on racial lines about large groups rather than communal ones.
Same question, diffrent perspective. is he a “white ally” or a “born-again privlaged manager”?
Yes, and racism is also a social hierarchy and systemic structure that utilizes tools of oppression to allow the in-group to have power and control over the out-group. Calling it prejudice alone is not acknowledging the full picture.
Yeah, this thread has been fascinating. It’s the most basic concept and people are wild’n out. My last comment at the bottom of this thing I think will summarize it well for anyone who reads through it all. I think the biggest concern is why people are so resistant to understanding the additional power/control and systemic shit within racism. I use “gravity” as an example, but when it comes to racism, these are people’s lives. And I’d hate to think how invalidating it would make someone feel to hear this “no” and “check the dictionary” shit in a conversation outside of the Internet.
No. Racism is prejudice based on skin color. Please consult your closest dictionary. To be clear, there are lots of social problems, and there are different words to describe those problems. You want to redefine racism because you want to be racist towards white people.
Lol mate, you’re being willfully obtuse. As you already know, there is knowledge beyond the confines of the dictionary, and the dictionary is merely attempting to summarize a very complex subject. If you’d like to broaden your perspective, you can turn to the research which is where I’m pulling my definition. If you’d like to understand why it’s so important to include those other things I mentioned in the definition, there’s plenty of reading opportunities to explain that.
The dictionary is not a replacement for the social sciences, friend. It seems like you have a narrative in your head about why I am arguing this point, but I’d like to point out that your argument is currently standing on “but the dictionary though” in the face of decades of research.
I don’t know who that is; first time talking with them as far as I know. I don’t mind engaging with someone until they seem disingenuous; but yeah, that’s where I’ve reached with that person. A short reply of “check the dictionary” is not the sign of someone wanting actual conversation. Guessing you’ve had a similar run-in with them.
Its about power, completely devoid of racial lines. It matters If you are given the privlage and act apon convincing yourself of lies. It also matters if you chase power at all costs.
If it doesn’t involve oppression of a minority race by an in-power race, it’s not racism. Might be prejudism, not racism though. Racism involves a power imbalance that treats as inferior a minority.
No. It is not systemic or institutionalized racism. That does not mean it’s not racism. If you hate all white people for no reason you’re just as racist as someone who hates all black people for no reason. I wish we would stop conflating the two and pretending they are the same. Either you strive for equity and equality (meaning no one is out here saying any race is doing X Because they’re that race) the world would be a better place, or you create an argument where there shouldn’t be one to validate your own racism and or bias.
You’re talking about the Marxist definition of racism, aka systemic racism. OP is talking about the common definition of racism, as in to judge based on race.
Its annoying the word “systematic” was chopped off because its basically a trueism if you left it.
If it doesn’t not involve oppression of a minority race by an in-power race, it’s not (systematic) racism. Might be prejudism, not (systematic) racism though. (systematic) Racism involves a power imbalance that treats as inferior a minority.
Right, but then you wouldn’t be able to dismiss OPs concerns. OP wasn’t talking about systemic racism, they were talking about the common understanding of racism.
there is a difference between racism and prejudice. that comment is prejudiced but not racist. if white was replaced with black then it would be racist, bc there is an inherently power structure in play meant to create more economic and social opportunities for white people.
As per your screenshot & the contained link, you reported this comment as racist?
It sounds to me like you got banned for a good reason, because that was an abuse of the reporting tool.
Reporting a racist comment isn’t “abuse”.
Even if you think racism is OK if it happens to be against a group you hate, it’s still not justifiable to ban someone for bringing it to the the attention of the administrators.
That would achieve nothing except make people afraid to alert the mods.
Thats a bad outcome no matter what.
Or you don’t think that saying “privileged white folk” is racist in the first place.
Heck, “privlaged black folk” doesnt sit well with me either.
Lets not mince words here, reguardless of skin color, privlage to not just visit but live in unreality is really sad. And like you’ve won when you see it shattered.
I dont know the point of sayimg this.
Probably saying privileged yellow/black folk is not a racism too. /s
On the other hand if you agree, I will appreciate your consistency.
Personally, “privlaged ritch folk stuck in their infantile fantacy” works as a really punchy drop-in replacement.
Indeed, rich is not a race. Good replacement.
Imagine if you were to replace “white” with “black” or “asian” or “gay” in the text you quoted. Is it now a racist comment?
Those groups don’t have privilege.
A black slave master is a tragity. “You came from our position, you know first hand our plights and were taken in by their games anyway.” A normal person says .
Is he a “black betrayor” or a “betrayor of his own community”?
It feels verry wrong to say these things on racial lines about large groups rather than communal ones.
Same question, diffrent perspective. is he a “white ally” or a “born-again privlaged manager”?
Pff… try being a white guy in Japan…
Sure is. But “White” is prejudice at worst, not racism. Racism includes the inherent power dynamics and systemic racism against minorities.
Racism is prejudice based on skin color.
Yes, and racism is also a social hierarchy and systemic structure that utilizes tools of oppression to allow the in-group to have power and control over the out-group. Calling it prejudice alone is not acknowledging the full picture.
Oh my gosh, the closest thing to reasonable and you get a “consult your dictionary” comment.
Yeah, this thread has been fascinating. It’s the most basic concept and people are wild’n out. My last comment at the bottom of this thing I think will summarize it well for anyone who reads through it all. I think the biggest concern is why people are so resistant to understanding the additional power/control and systemic shit within racism. I use “gravity” as an example, but when it comes to racism, these are people’s lives. And I’d hate to think how invalidating it would make someone feel to hear this “no” and “check the dictionary” shit in a conversation outside of the Internet.
No. Racism is prejudice based on skin color. Please consult your closest dictionary. To be clear, there are lots of social problems, and there are different words to describe those problems. You want to redefine racism because you want to be racist towards white people.
Lol mate, you’re being willfully obtuse. As you already know, there is knowledge beyond the confines of the dictionary, and the dictionary is merely attempting to summarize a very complex subject. If you’d like to broaden your perspective, you can turn to the research which is where I’m pulling my definition. If you’d like to understand why it’s so important to include those other things I mentioned in the definition, there’s plenty of reading opportunities to explain that.
Yet dictionaries still exist, and their definitions don’t become invalid just because you want to avoid criticism.
Ive heard gross iterations by others (even in this thread) of what @flamingarms said, he has a fairly reasonable take in comparison
The dictionary is not a replacement for the social sciences, friend. It seems like you have a narrative in your head about why I am arguing this point, but I’d like to point out that your argument is currently standing on “but the dictionary though” in the face of decades of research.
They’re Frodo Douche Baggins. Not much point in feeding them.
I don’t know who that is; first time talking with them as far as I know. I don’t mind engaging with someone until they seem disingenuous; but yeah, that’s where I’ve reached with that person. A short reply of “check the dictionary” is not the sign of someone wanting actual conversation. Guessing you’ve had a similar run-in with them.
It’s more than that, though.
No, it’s not. Racism is very simple.
Racism is my favorate word in any spelling bee because of this. So simple its easy to remember. Especially in comparison to 10 letter words.
Its about power, completely devoid of racial lines. It matters If you are given the privlage and act apon convincing yourself of lies. It also matters if you chase power at all costs.
If it doesn’t involve oppression of a minority race by an in-power race, it’s not racism. Might be prejudism, not racism though. Racism involves a power imbalance that treats as inferior a minority.
No. It is not systemic or institutionalized racism. That does not mean it’s not racism. If you hate all white people for no reason you’re just as racist as someone who hates all black people for no reason. I wish we would stop conflating the two and pretending they are the same. Either you strive for equity and equality (meaning no one is out here saying any race is doing X Because they’re that race) the world would be a better place, or you create an argument where there shouldn’t be one to validate your own racism and or bias.
You’re talking about the Marxist definition of racism, aka systemic racism. OP is talking about the common definition of racism, as in to judge based on race.
Its annoying the word “systematic” was chopped off because its basically a trueism if you left it.
Right, but then you wouldn’t be able to dismiss OPs concerns. OP wasn’t talking about systemic racism, they were talking about the common understanding of racism.
The purpose is to muddy the waters.
I was being semi sarcastic, “an individual on his own is being systematically racist”. I removed context by accedent in a earlier draft
Reporting racism is not abuse. You must be one of them racists we need to report.
there is a difference between racism and prejudice. that comment is prejudiced but not racist. if white was replaced with black then it would be racist, bc there is an inherently power structure in play meant to create more economic and social opportunities for white people.
I really wish more people understood this 😭
Bullshit identity politics.
Calling a black landlord a slur because he turfs you and your family out of your let with minimal notice? Racist and directed at power.
Middle class black guy calling child from low income area “white trash”? Racist and directed at the prominent ethnicity.
Learn intersectionality and stop propagating this group bullshit.
You’re getting downvoted by people with no education.
Oh I’m well aware of the attempt to redefine racism to avoid accountability.