Former President Donald Trump spent nearly an hour at his Palm Beach, Florida, social club on Thursday ranting to a room full of reporters as he tries to grab the spotlight from a resurgent Democratic ticket fronted by Vice President Kamala Harris and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.

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    Because lying means the liar knows they are lying. Stating a falsehood means you don’t have to have the intent of lying.

    This comes down to libel. Journalists would like not to get sued because they think someone is lying instead of just claiming things they believe in, misguided as it is.

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        Are you sure he’s not just so completely:

        • senile
        • deluded
        • forgetful
        • or just plain stupid

        that he actually knows that was a falsehood when he said it?

        To call something a lie, you basically have to be inside the person’s head. You have to know not only the action, but the intent. That’s, really, really hard to prove in a way that satisfies the (legitimate and necessary) requirements of journalistic ethics.

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        When they sue you for libel, they will have to prove that you knew you were lying and still went ahead with it, in order to damage or disparage the other party.

        This goes the same for Trump: can you prove he knows he’s lying?

        Edit: in other, better words:

        The legal definition of lying is that someone spread false information with knowledge that the information was false.

        In general, a journalist cannot establish whether a person did or did not have prior knowledge, so we don’t use the term. It keeps us from getting sued.

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          He certainly knew at one point someone had died. Is there exceptions for dementia?

          Edit - and I’m not trying to be a smart ass, it’s disgusting and I’m really sick of “oh media can’t say like it is”. It’s cowardly and enabling.