The thing is, there is always sort of a truth in the middle - there are communities suffering from mass and badly controlled migration, but whenever they raise their concerns, or hold a demonstration, racists are quick to hijack it and take the reigns. I once ran a Minecraft server which had a guy who was moderately right wing run a faction. However another guy joined and behaved himself, but invited tonnes of people who definitely couldn’t, and suddenly we had a nazi bar problem at hand of racists flooding a Minecraft server.
How is migration the problem? Practically every issue in this country is because there aren’t enough people to do the jobs either because there isn’t enough people or because there isn’t enough people willing to do them.
The NHS is falling apart partly because they can’t get the staff, because they used to come from Europe, thanks to the bloody brilliant idea of brexit that’s now not possible.
Oh and of course the whole thing about not having enough lorry drivers. If you will intentionally gut the workforce.
Then you’ve got all the seasonal workers that are necessary for things like fruit picking, they are no longer turning up.
This country 's built on immigration it’s required in order for the country to function. But racist both in and out of government over the last couple of decades have decided to turn it into an issue. They’ve decided to tell people that the reason that they can’t afford a house is because of immigrants rather than admitting this because they haven’t built any for the last 25 years.
Actually its been a problem since at least the 1970s. When my father worked for a hospital as a charge nurse. He was paid to travel to nations to hire nurses. Mainly jamaca and a few others at the time. .
This was a tume when all UK higher education was free.
The issue is more about how much we pay nurses compared to other nations. Vs how shitty the job is.
And you will notice we solve it the same way most other nations do. Recruit from nations that pay even less. Just like the US and AUS recruites from the UK we recruit from eastern wleurope africa etc etc etc.
If you want to fix it without immigration. You need to pay UK nurses etc competitivly with the US.
But I agree paying nurses more is the right thing to do. The fact that it will increase number of people moving into that job and reduce immigration is also a good thing.
The issue with that is at times like this. When economics are bad. The UK has a long history of emigration. And medical professionals are by far the most in demand worldwide.
If this nation, dos’e not offer a competitive standard of living compared to other nations. Those that can leave will and always have.
So yes, if you want to keep people in the field. You must either appeal to those from a lessor standard of living. Or raise yours to your competitor’s level.
People don’t work like that and there are costs your aren’t rationalising.
Things like pensions, healthcare, PTO, lower crime. But even then I think most people want to stay at home. So a large difference will cause a large movement when times are bad. But a small price difference isn’t going to cause all the UK medical staff to move like a perfect competitive market.
UK people need to be paid more, bit not the same as the US.
The crime they commit and the way they treat women. There have been people trying to enforce Sharia, in France there were teachers beheaded for criticising Mohammed, there were riots in Sweden over burning a book. Riots between Indians and Pakistanis. Behaviour like this just doesn’t belong in our society. Of course there are plenty of migrants who do behave and they are very much welcome, but we do have to be careful about who we’re letting in.
The suffering is real but the link to migration is entirely made up.
Not enough GPs for the population? They’ve retired.
Too much traffic? More and more people own cars and the entire country outside cities is designed to require them.
No home? Councils were banned from building them in the 80s of course we don’t have enough housing.
giving an inch on the core anti migration argument is a mistake because it makes the action to actually fix these problems harder.
No action on migration can ever be enough because the racists want to kick every black person born here out, and the “legitimate concerns” crowd won’t see any improvement in their lives and will keep demanding bigger and bigger action alongside them.
there are communities suffering from mass and badly controlled migration
Communities are suffering from 14 years of misgovernment, that’s what people should be angry at, blaming migration hands the tories a massive free pass.
The thing is, there is always sort of a truth in the middle - there are communities suffering from mass and badly controlled migration, but whenever they raise their concerns, or hold a demonstration, racists are quick to hijack it and take the reigns. I once ran a Minecraft server which had a guy who was moderately right wing run a faction. However another guy joined and behaved himself, but invited tonnes of people who definitely couldn’t, and suddenly we had a nazi bar problem at hand of racists flooding a Minecraft server.
How is migration the problem? Practically every issue in this country is because there aren’t enough people to do the jobs either because there isn’t enough people or because there isn’t enough people willing to do them.
The NHS is falling apart partly because they can’t get the staff, because they used to come from Europe, thanks to the bloody brilliant idea of brexit that’s now not possible.
Oh and of course the whole thing about not having enough lorry drivers. If you will intentionally gut the workforce.
Then you’ve got all the seasonal workers that are necessary for things like fruit picking, they are no longer turning up.
This country 's built on immigration it’s required in order for the country to function. But racist both in and out of government over the last couple of decades have decided to turn it into an issue. They’ve decided to tell people that the reason that they can’t afford a house is because of immigrants rather than admitting this because they haven’t built any for the last 25 years.
It’s because you are trying to fix a difficult problem with an easy solution that just pushes the can down the road.
Problem: We don’t train enough NHS staff
Solution: Train the same amount of NHS staff, reduce their (real) wages and hire immigrants.
The issue of shit pay and not enough education is still there.
Actually its been a problem since at least the 1970s. When my father worked for a hospital as a charge nurse. He was paid to travel to nations to hire nurses. Mainly jamaca and a few others at the time. .
This was a tume when all UK higher education was free.
The issue is more about how much we pay nurses compared to other nations. Vs how shitty the job is.
And you will notice we solve it the same way most other nations do. Recruit from nations that pay even less. Just like the US and AUS recruites from the UK we recruit from eastern wleurope africa etc etc etc.
If you want to fix it without immigration. You need to pay UK nurses etc competitivly with the US.
I don’t think we need to pay the same as the US.
But I agree paying nurses more is the right thing to do. The fact that it will increase number of people moving into that job and reduce immigration is also a good thing.
The issue with that is at times like this. When economics are bad. The UK has a long history of emigration. And medical professionals are by far the most in demand worldwide.
If this nation, dos’e not offer a competitive standard of living compared to other nations. Those that can leave will and always have.
So yes, if you want to keep people in the field. You must either appeal to those from a lessor standard of living. Or raise yours to your competitor’s level.
People don’t work like that and there are costs your aren’t rationalising.
Things like pensions, healthcare, PTO, lower crime. But even then I think most people want to stay at home. So a large difference will cause a large movement when times are bad. But a small price difference isn’t going to cause all the UK medical staff to move like a perfect competitive market.
UK people need to be paid more, bit not the same as the US.
The crime they commit and the way they treat women. There have been people trying to enforce Sharia, in France there were teachers beheaded for criticising Mohammed, there were riots in Sweden over burning a book. Riots between Indians and Pakistanis. Behaviour like this just doesn’t belong in our society. Of course there are plenty of migrants who do behave and they are very much welcome, but we do have to be careful about who we’re letting in.
luckily we have laws and enforcement for all sorts of crimes.
The suffering is real but the link to migration is entirely made up.
Not enough GPs for the population? They’ve retired.
Too much traffic? More and more people own cars and the entire country outside cities is designed to require them.
No home? Councils were banned from building them in the 80s of course we don’t have enough housing.
giving an inch on the core anti migration argument is a mistake because it makes the action to actually fix these problems harder.
No action on migration can ever be enough because the racists want to kick every black person born here out, and the “legitimate concerns” crowd won’t see any improvement in their lives and will keep demanding bigger and bigger action alongside them.
Communities are suffering from 14 years of misgovernment, that’s what people should be angry at, blaming migration hands the tories a massive free pass.