Y didn’t god save them
Because it isn’t real. Unlike the very real humans who died doing this and the very real humans running Saudia Arabia who allowed this to happen.
Just gotta give all the glory to God. Just out there getting r done one idiot at a time .
humans running Saudia Arabia who allowed this to happen.
Grown up humans are allowed to make their own decisions.
Not in that country they ain’t. At least not about most things.
How do you know god didn’t save them?
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Removed, Islamophobia.
Who hurt you
How much time you got brother/sister?
This is mostly because people are dumbasses.
People who went the official route, getting a permit and going through a company were ok as they stayed in air conditioned places most the time. These people spend upwards of $5k and much more.
People who couldn’t afford it went through unofficial routes and were forced to sleep outside and had to walk everywhere and even some had to sneak into makkah through the fucking desert.
Islam doesn’t force people to go through pilgrimage unless they can do it both physically and monetarily. Also even of the ones that went through the official route MANY of them are super old with medical conditions and shouldn’t have even boarded the plane.
This is mostly because people are dumbasses
Yes, they went on life-threatening journey because “god”.
“Regrettably, the number of mortalities reached 1,301, with 83% being unauthorised to perform hajj and having walked long distances under direct sunlight, without adequate shelter or comfort,” the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.
That’s still 200+ deaths who were registered. And my understanding of Saudia Arabia in this context is that they don’t always permit Muslims from certain countries, so they have no choice if they want to make their pilgrimage. This is a once in a lifetime event that some people may plan out years in advance. I don’t think it’s fair to blame them for not registering, especially when in some cases they can’t.
Allah: “As faithful Muslims, I command you to make a pilgrimage to the desert in the middle of June.”
Muslims: “Yes, O Lord!” [Proceed to die of heat exhaustion.]
Allah: “Ha ha! Fuck you!” [Goes off to hang out with the virgins those guys didn’t get for not dying as martyrs.]
Sorry… just trying to imagine how many people of any deistic faith wouldn’t have unnecessarily killed themselves over the centuries if they just accepted their god didn’t exist.
I think it’s silly too, but isn’t this a bit insensitive? People died. It is their own fault for making bad decisions in this situation, but they still died.
It’s also a lot easier to choose not to be Muslim when your entire family and maybe your entire support group isn’t Muslim. Hell, how many of those people who died came from countries where it’s basically required by law to be Muslim?
It is indeed. But atheists have a tendency to think it’s fine for them to be hateful towards religious people because “they hate all religion”. Logically hating more people makes someone even worse, but there’s not all that much logic going on in the minds of some atheists. For some people, Atheism is just a cover for being hateful, in exactly the same way some people use Christianity (or any other religion) to provide cover for their hatred.
If the guy didn’t say something about “deists,” the comment would be identical to something an Islamophobic Christian might say. Religious bigotry from atheists is identical to bigotry coming from religious people.
ftr; also atheist, but decided not to be insensitive today, lol
I can prove objectively that religion is bad for humanity. Can you do the same about atheism? There’s a huge difference between the two. We respect people, not their beliefs. If someone’s a racist, that’s a belief with just as much evidence (aka none/blind faith) as a religion. Do I have to respect their religions? I do think it’s really sad that these people died, though I view it as an easily preventable occurrence, and mostly the fault of those that partook. (The same way that I viewed the submarine)
I can prove objectively that religion is bad for humanity. Can you do the same about atheism?
Sure… there’s a very large number of people that were killed by atheists like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc. There’s a large enough sample size to objectively prove that when atheists are in power they are as bad (if not worse) than religious people in power.
I doubt it’s required by state law for them to go to Mecca on pilgrimage in any Muslim country. How could they even prove you really did it? At most they could inspect your passport to see if you went to Saudi Arabia.
What I said was “basically required by law to be Muslim”, not required by state law to do the Hajj
Okay, but this is about going on the Hajj and their nation’s laws cant require them to do that.
Allah: “As faithful Muslims, I command you to make a pilgrimage to the desert in the middle of June.”
Muslims: “Yes, O Lord!” [Proceed to die of heat exhaustion.]
Allah: “Ha ha! Fuck you!” [Goes off to hang out with the virgins those guys didn’t get for not dying as martyrs.]
Why aren’t they martyrs? They literally died for their religious belief.
noun One who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles. - The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
I think dying during pilgrimage is supposed to confer similar benefits to martyrdom.
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Well, maybe one virgin and an old slut from Philly.
That’s not what the term martyr means when we’re referring to Islam tho. They’re usually referring to Jihad which is much more specific. (And problematic)
Also, imagine thinking an American dictionary and en English word mean anything when the only ‘true’ reading of this religion is Arabic
dude you clearly don’t know anything about Islam. it neither restricts martyrdom nor the concept of jihad to war.
It just feels off to me that only war could bring someone to martyrdom. There’s no way a religion wouldn’t honor those who died putting in effort. I would argue that the idea runs contradictory to pretty much any religion with a central Deity. People wouldn’t put in the effort otherwise.
According to Wikipedia (not definitive but at least this source is universal) the first martyr was a woman who did not die in a war. She was murdered for converting. This page also lists sources for ways to be martyred in nonmilitary efforts.
Here is a thread I found on reddit called Explain To Me Martyrdom that also states not all martyrs die in war.
Those are the hadiths which is kinda like a state law vs a national law where the national law overpowers the state law (except in specific circumstances) or how the us constitution overrides national law. The quran is the only book that’s the word of God, and if you take all the hadiths as truth you open Islam up to all kinds of other critiques. Besides that, the shia/sunni split has a ton of hadith issues where they only treat some as truth and not others. For the record it’s not just Muslims or something. All of the Abrahamic religions are immensely fucked and I’m pretty sure I could make a similar case for most others. Even fucking Buddhism is being used to justify an ethnic cleansing rn.
You have definitely made me reflect on what I said and I shouldn’t have made such a claim when I don’t really know what I’m talking about entirely.
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But it is this year, which is the point.
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“Muslim” is not a race. It’s a religion. Unless you think Nigerians and Malaysians are the same in terms of race.
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I don’t understand what you are suggesting.
Are you saying Nigerians and Malaysians are the same in terms of race or are you denying that they are Muslims?
Because I can’t figure out a third option.
Edit: Ah, I see. The third option is that you’re a troll account.
