• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Calm down.

      The world doesn’t actually improve in fits an starts. Incrementalism is a fallacy. The world improves in large sweeping movements that are eventually ground backwards. We make major improvement through bold action, not trivial improvements.

      I have no obligation to support a muted political movement incapable of accomplishing its purported objectives.

      US Democrats could have done this a decade ago. They could have codified abortion rights. They could have made so many things a priority: they choose not to. I owe nothing to a failed approach to politics.

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        6 months ago

        Ok, so… What big, sweeping things are YOU doing to make society better? Where’s your list of accomplishments?

        The Democrats don’t have a perfect track record, not even close. But being part of the online peanut gallery of whiners doesn’t get us anywhere. I’m so tired of people who are all commentary and no action, people who aren’t going to be part of progress (big or small) are part of the problem no matter how smug you act about it.

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        US Democrats could have done this a decade ago. They could have codified abortion rights. They could have made so many things a priority: they choose not to. I owe nothing to a failed approach to politics.

        I must correct you there. There is a theory that says that politics has to fulfill the will of its average voter. It can not lean further left than that. Otherwise it looses voters on the righter side.

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          What you have is a convenient and wrong interpretation of how politics work.

          Its interesting that when its a step in the authoritarian or right-wing direction, its always possible. When its a step towards humanism or the left, its never possible or only ever an epsilon of progress.

          Why do you think that is?

          The fallacy thats baked into your thinking that causes you to make this mistake is shown by this assumption you make:

          Otherwise it looses voters on the righter side.

          The idea that voters exist along a symmetrical distribution is the mistake you are making. People are not randomly coming up with their beliefs and there is no reason you should assume it would follow a gaussian.

          Its a persistent and wrong assumption, that resulted in the kind of demonstrated impotence of the American Democrats.

          Interestingly, the American Right wing doesn’t share that belief around real-politik. And because they don’t make this wrong assumption, their voters actually get the policy decisions they want into law.

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            Its interesting that when its a step in the authoritarian or right-wing direction, its always possible. When its a step towards humanism or the left, its never possible or only ever an epsilon of progress.

            Why do you think that is?

            Because people are, in fact, pretty right-wing authoritarian.

            The idea that voters exist along a symmetrical distribution is the mistake you are making. People are not randomly coming up with their beliefs and there is no reason you should assume it would follow a gaussian.

            I never said that it was a symmetrical or normal distribution. I am well aware that it is not. But it is still a distribution.

            And people do come up with their own beliefs. It’s not as if you can just tell them what to believe. People’s will comes first, parties and their ideas come second.