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If you’re having trouble understanding what this map means, it means that the suicide rate for men is higher than for women everywhere, notably 5 to 6 times higher in Eastern Europe and Russia, and 8 times higher in a couple of Central American countries and West Africa.
I wonder what makes men the world over decide that suicide is the best option.
I would imagine toxic masculinity.
Men are encouraged to be stoic and not express their emotions.
Most men don’t have a single friend they can talk openly about their emotions with.
It’s interesting how terms like toxic masculinity lead to instant downvotes from a certain type of person but if you make the exact same comment without it you get zero downvotes.
It’s almost like people have been conditioned to be reflexively averse to specific words without actually understanding what they mean.
Toxic masculinity was a term coined by men wanting to be free from the expectations of the patriarchy. It’s beyond heart breaking that so many men parodoxically react with anger to this phrase. Double so while bemoaning the lack of mental health options for men.
My good dudes, you’re literally building the cages for yourself.
Hierarchy, military conflict, and expected economic outlook. All three are pretty bleak in the worst regions shown. External powers have the first, the countries in question are engaged in the later, and the next 20-50 years are pretty bleak for typical male occupations for the countries in question. I would expect Argentina to rise over the next few years, but who knows women may kill themselves at a higher rate under a fascist govt.
Men are overly hormonal. Domestic abuse, war, homicide… They should take a more logical stance instead of being a slave to their feelings.
You’re saying that men should sever their feelings? How is that even possible? What do you feel like is the right way to do that?
Its a joke. The point is that women are often being told that they are too emotional (as opposed to the very logical men), even though men are often the ones with violent outbursts.
No my friend, but assuming that feelings, emotions, and hormones are something negative that need to be ignored or done away with is an artefact of patriarchy and we can throw that whole shit away.
What a great specimen of Finnish self-aware sarcasm.
Lol it isn’t sarcasm. If you would like to test my hypothesis, next time you see a man raging, tell him he is being overly hormonal. 99% chance he will not calm down and start behaving logically XD
Have you just never met a woman before?
When did you lose your first tooth?
Please, quit being so emotional.
You just proved my point. Instead of evaluating the truth of my statement, you turned to aggressive ad-hominem.
aggressive
Lol good one
Don’t know what aggression means?
Lol I’m getting all the boys today… arriba!
I wonder what makes men the world over decide that suicide is the best option.
Because if you don’t have a partner and high paying job, you aren’t just worthless, you are a burden.
I’m going to need proof
It just seems like some of y’all want a self fulfilling prophecy.
I wonder if evolution isn’t at play. Females killing themselves off is an awful reproductive strategy. Males doing the same is not such a big deal.
If I’m not clear: A woman takes about a year from attempting to get pregnant to gestation to birth to recovery. I could impregnate hundreds of women in a year. And so could any other man. We’re simply not as valuable.
And yes, men have plenty of value outside sperm donation, I was trying to shine a harsh light.
I have no way to know the lived experience of women, but I have observed since about 4 years of age that the buck stops with me. I, and I suspect the vast majority of men, have no backstop - If I have any problem that I can’t fix myself, or can’t pay money to get assistance with, I am fucked.
I hear anecdotally that women are more likely to tell people about suicidal ideation… Does this imply that women have better results using social networks to move past the stressors or illness behind that ideation?
Best case if I was feeling like I couldn’t bear to keep living and told someone, maybe a family member would have me committed for my own good. Then after the imprisonment, I am also unemployed and still have no one with the bandwidth to help me deal with whatever issues I was having.
Afaik suicide attempt rates are 2-3x more common in women than men. Men are just more likely to choose methods that are more deadly.
Not to belittle it on either side but I do wonder what causes that disparity. Is it that men plan it more thoroughly or have access to more dangerous methods? Do women choose methods that, unintentional or not, can be backed out of more easily? Are women more likely to report a failed attempt than men? If that 2-3x factor is true, then why don’t we see similar numbers of idk completion? I hesitate to say success because it is very much not a success to commit suicide, there are always other options, even if they’re not perfect.
I’ve heard the claims that women generally opt for less effective methods because they’re more likely to want to leave an opportunity to back out, or try to avoid leaving a messy corpse. I have not data here, these are simply claims I’ve heard.
I’ve heard the latter, as in even in death women are thinking about others.
Anecdotally, I’ve heard that almost universally. Every woman or girl I know who has chosen not to commit suicide, someone having to find their corpse factored highly in their reasons.
Someone being there to find them in the first place might be a factor in all this.
So the data suggests we should promote women’s suicides more /s
I’m a man, USA. In my personal experience, which doesn’t mean very much, I’ve noticed that men seem unable to accept catastrophy. They try to reason or wiggle a way out of it. Woman seem more at ease when dealing with horrible events.
If I had to guess, it is a difference in perception and experience. Perhaps men are groomed to be “providers, problem solvers,” and so they despair at unsolvable problems, while women are told not to “overreact,” and to “support” others in times of crisis. Like a weird inverted effect of patriarchal society.
Men are groomed to hide feelings. We are often told from very young age don’t be a sissy. Suck it up. Be a man. From young age you are thought that showing emotion makes you less of a man, makes you a sub-human. But we all have issues, pent up emotions and problems. Then one day you simply stop wanting things. Or pain becomes too much.
Ever cry in front of a woman? She will never be attracted to you ever again.
Hello,
Didn’t we all move to !map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz ?
I didn’t know about that community, but I also don’t see why I shouldn’t post here? The beauty of the Fediverse is that there can be many places that serve the same purpose.
This is confusing as shit
Why? The red and orange are close in color, otherwise it shows if it is green in color, more women commit suicide than men, then the ratio goes up by color
If it is green then they have the same average right? 1:1. But in this graph it would be difficult to show when more women committed suicide, which might nowhere be the case.
Or you’d get 0.5 with a color match, for example.
Women literally never commit suicide at the same rate or less, that’s kind of the point.
See now, when I say lemmy users are the dumbest bunch of people I’ve ever seen outside of YouTube comments, people say I’m being too harsh. But this comment is currently at +45.
it is not a matter of intelligence to want to understand an info graphic without need to put work in it
If you can’t understand it at first glance, that’s a skill issue.
it’s probably foolish to get into an argument with someone who thinks themselves better than me, but i’m bored so
in what world, do you read the word “ratio” then see “7” and instantly go “ah yes, 7/1 can also be seen as 7:1”, instead of being confused for a bit because you expected a ratio
It…specifically explains the part that you were confused about. Right there, below the title.
you literally have to additionally imagine the rest of the ratio anyway. I know dividing 7 by 1 gives you 7, but just a 7 is not a ratio
i give up, you either think yourself better than everyone to the point of refusing to acknowledge how the info graphic presents its information in an unintuitive way, or are OPs alt dying on this hill trying to defend your info graphic
I know dividing 7 by 1 gives you 7, but just a 7 is not a ratio
Does this prevent you in any way from comprehending the image? It takes more effort to parse out what you just said than it takes to understand the drawing. I still don’t understand why it’s relevant but that’s beyond the point.
The image title could have said “MALE SUICIDES VS FEMALE SUICIDES (SKABADOO BANANAS WITH PAUL LEMON)” and you should still be able to immediately understand that farther right = more male suicides
Hell you should be able to understand the gist of the image without even having any numbers on the bottom, just “less” on the left and “more” on the right.
