Microsofts new Terms and Service agreement is rather questionable. In short; It does not clarify if Microsoft will use your data to train it’s AI.
So Mozilla is calling for arms to sign their petition for Microsoft to give a proper answer! You can sign it here -> https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/microsoft-ai/
Mozillas Context;
Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI? We had four lawyers, three privacy experts, and two campaigners look at Microsoft’s new Service Agreement, and none of our experts could tell if Microsoft plans on using your personal data – including audio, video, chat, and attachments from 130 products, including Office, Skype, Teams, and Xbox – to train its AI models.
If nine experts in privacy can’t understand what Microsoft does with your data, what chance does the average person have? That’s why we’re asking Microsoft to say if they’re going to use our personal data to train its AI.
On my work PC it’s painfully obvious that MS tracks every word you type into Teams and Outlook based on the clickbait shit they plaster all over the MSN homepage. It’s always customized to include topics that were discussed in my work messages.
Nowhere in any of the Office365 land do you see a notification that they are analyzing everything you do, but it remains obvious that they are.
This leads to the reasonable conclusion that they will abuse your data for any avenue of profit.
That’s wild. Are you serious? Can you point to any proof or articles about that direct reflection of the snooping? I assume your employer had to agree to their information being used for advertising/etc.
No I haven’t researched it at all, I have simply observed it in action as the crap they push through on a browser without an adblocker. Lots of very specific things related to the contents of my work discussions.
That is built inherently into the Windows OS. Open your resource monitor and check network activity. Put those IP addresses into https://www.ip-lookup.org/location
And then question why all that information is being sent out. Drivers, DRM for software and many other stuff have self reporting automation built into them these days.
my opinion is:… it’s obvious. it’s microsoft. they do everything to make profit, AI included.
Not defending Microsoft, but isn’t that the same for all companies.
if the document doesn’t explicitly say that they don’t… they do. and even if it did, odds are they (or one of their ‘partners’) do anyway.
Why ask when you know the answer is yes?
If the product is free, you are the product. Even when it’s not free, you’re still the product because data is too valuable.
although a good mentality, its not always correct. Also, this isn’t just about “asking”, it’s fighting big corps/tech to be more transparent about their policies.
And if they say “yes”, if they are blatant and transparent about their business model, that will somehow make it better? This idea of “putting sunshine on a problem” never actually solves anything. The problem company just comes back with “Yeah? So? What the fuck are you going to do about it?”
Well, the more negative feedback they get the more they will rethink it. Just like what happened to Googles proposed “Web Integrity” API recently. It recived a huge negative backlash and in return they dropped the idea, for now…
But if you’re asking if “blatent and transparent” polices are better than the ones that are not, then the answer to that is a big fat YES ofcourse they are. I personally have had enough of google and microsoft so im staying away from their serivces as much as I possible can.
Shining light on a problem is a good step to make people realize there is a problem in the first place.
What the fuck are you going to do about it?
Start a meme campaign targeted at countries with privacy legislations, aimed at making their future governments ask for
higher bribesmore lobbying before signing away taxpayer money to Microsoft contracts…I mean, ideally have Microsoft rethink its approach, like Meta is rethinking its with Instagram, but let’s start with something simple.
Yeah we should just never do anything if it doesn’t instantly fix the problem.
Done 👍
Also done
Done the third
I don’t even use any Microsoft products but I did it anyway.
You probably use Azure.
I don’t even know what that is.
Signed. Thanks Mozilla and fuck you Microsoft
I’m just going to start posting in Esperanto. Even AI won’t be interested in learning Esperanto.
They do exist! :-)
Too late, it already has learned it:
Default (GPT-3.5)
User: Translate the following text into Esperanto: “I’m just going to start posting in Esperanto. Even AI won’t be interested in learning Esperanto.”
ChatGPT: “Mi ĵus komencos afiŝi en Esperanto. Eĉ la intelekta artifiko ne estos interesita lerni Esperanton.”
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Certainly easier than convincing my job to let me put linux on my work laptop.
Hot tip: If you’re switching to Linux and you’re not sure how to do something - ask your favourite LLM AI chatbot for help.
There’s typically some terminal command or config file or something that you can do to get what you want, and I’m sure it all makes sense to an experienced linux person, but its not easy to guess what to do as a novice. But since all the commands and such are well documented, you can get pretty good advice from the AI. As usual, it won’t be completely reliable - but you can think of it as a bit like asking a tech expert for help over the phone. They know a lot and can help you - but they can’t see exactly what’s on the screen and they may ‘misremember’ some details from time to time. So it isn’t perfect, but it’s certainly good enough to find what you are looking for.
(Or you can just ask a real person. Those are pretty helpful too.)
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Fair enough. I didn’t really mean to direct what I was saying at you specifically; rather I was just kind of continuing the conversation.
And yeah, the only reason that the AI stuff works at all is because people have taken the time to write down good advice in the past - which has then unforeseeably used as AI training data (without consultation or compensation…) So yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if your work was in there somewhere.
“Open”AI stole the open web and monetized it and made billions , and there are no solid legal consequences. So why Microsoft and other companies wont do the same? I mean Google is doing it and made an empire of it.
Good question.
For me, there is a difference - I feel differently about a company using stuff I posted on the open web vs messages I’ve sent on Teams, Skype, etc., which feel like they should be more private. There is probably also a legal/privacy angle for this difference too, for this same reason (?)
Was openai ever open? Or its just a name scheme
I’ve been meaning to look that up for a while
OpenAI was created as an open source (which is why I named it “Open” AI), non-profit company to serve as a counterweight to Google, but now it has become a closed source, maximum-profit company effectively controlled by Microsoft.
Interesting
What if i publish all my personal data myself. What if i also publish with a licence forcing anything that uses it to be opensource?
Same thing they’re doing right now: ignoring the license.
Of cause cos the rules only apply to us
Isn’t everyone?
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Does the pope shit in the woods?
Only if nobody is around to hear it
too bad they aren’t waiting for the answer (lmao) before switching to microsoft git hosting for their development
I mean, it is. They keep a list of all your conversations and they are extremely vague about giving a direct reply. Hopefully this does something because, like US congress has itself admitted, they cannot afford to let the same thing happen with advanced AIs that they’ve let happen with social networks. Transparency needs to be a thing, and not fake “oh yeah I’m all about transparency” then goes out of their way to hide shit under the carpet or gaslight with bullshit when they can’t.
I dont use anything made by microsoft so i dont think its using my data to train AI
It’s probably ok for you to not use this form then.
I mean… Google already does this… We know Microsoft already does this. This feels like an attempt by Mozilla to garner attention from both the press and users to promote Mozilla accounts.
