Facebook comments: Well obviously it was taken in the SUMMER 😂🤣😆 Morons global warming is all fear mongering!
Yes Jim. It’s very normal that entire glaciers disappear, regularly in fact, every year. You are so smart, much smarter than all of the scientists who are panicking.
Ummm…. There’s people right here on lemmy saying the same dumb shit about summer. Don’t think for a second that lemmy doesn’t host some of the exact same idiots Facebook does.
Good news is that many instances on Lemmy are less tolerant to alt-right trolls and climate deniers. Best to use that report function so your admins, or even better, their admins, can snipe them.
Good idea. Though I generally don’t like to over-use the report function.
I guess depending on the instance it’s not necessarily over-using it, as the point is to report content that isn’t up to the instance or community’s standard. On some instance that includes disinfo, on others it doesn’t.
We are all humans, we are all dumb. A smart human isn’t one who knows everything, they’re one who knows what they don’t know and knows who knows that. And, ya know, defers to the people who know about things when they don’t.
The only issue that really matters to me is climate change. Or maybe plastic.
But this is the same as the picture of the statue of liberty that is used to “debunk” sea level rise by showing the level at the same height, despite being taken 100 years apart. Were they taken at the same tide? Same time of year? Is there any other factor at play here?
This is a “shoe is on the other foot” moment, and we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it. Maybe especially so because confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
Glaciers don’t change with a full moon.
And I never said they did.
Were they taken at the same tide? Same time of year? Is there any other factor at play here?
…we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it.Then what exactly are you implying?
Nothing, I explicitly said “we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it.” I don’t know how I could have made it more clear.
What does that have to do with pictures of a glacier obviously melting drastically in a short time?
It doesn’t. It’s almost like you are wilfully ignorant about thinking critically.
Reddit comment: Shaving does make your dinghy look bigger!
Also, the sunlight suggests it’s summer in the first photo (or at least not winter).
crazy to think that guy has been on that boat for over 100 years
He clearly switched boats.
Boat of Theseus
Nah, he just slowly upgraded and remodel on the spot. The guy never moved from that spot. 🤥
No boat would live that long…
Wow, it looks so much prettier today. All thanks to climate improvement.
Thanks, emissionschads!
Thank goodness they cleared out all that snow and ice so that we can finally see the pretty mountains.
At least we got some space to build car centric suburbia, eh? /s
More room to pollute! 🥳🥳🥳
Maybe there’s oil under there!
Then it would need liberation and a hefty dose of freedumb!
Send America, STAT!
Or coal?
It depends what. Plastic recycling is mostly a scam/fraud and does not fix nor change much.
The industry has long known that plastics recycling is not economically or practically viable, the report shows. An internal 1986 report from the trade association the Vinyl Institute noted that “recycling cannot be considered a permanent solid waste solution [to plastics], as it merely prolongs the time until an item is disposed of”.
In 1989, the founding director of the Vinyl Institute told attendees of a trade conference: “Recycling cannot go on indefinitely, and does not solve the solid waste problem.”
Despite this knowledge, the Society of the Plastics Industry established the Plastics Recycling Foundation in 1984, bringing together petrochemical companies and bottlers, and launched a campaign focused on the sector’s commitment to recycling.
In 1988, the trade group rolled out the “chasing arrows” – the widely recognized symbol for recyclable plastic – and began using it on packaging. Experts have long said the symbol is highly misleading, and recently federal regulators have echoed their concerns.
Cited article, and the report’s source
Recycling paper, metal and glass will help and make a difference, keeping in mind that we need to use less in the first place. However plastic recycling is broken by default, pretty much everywhere.
Captain Planets definitely going to shoot you. Maybe even turn you into a tree.
Looks like a nice enough spot for a landfill. Get on that, pronto.
A reverse image search revealed to me that there are a hell of a lot of copies of this image around the internet, but I can’t seem to find any papers that provide background. I’m going to have to look again later, but if there’s any other internet sleuths out there interested in figuring out the origins of these photos with reputable explainers, I would love to know more about this.
I’m always afraid of things like this that seem to confirm my biases without associated information to back it…
I just did reverse image search and found this article from 2002
The Guardian article nailed it, thanks!
It doesn’t cite exactly where they got the Greenpeace photo from, but I found it here: https://media.greenpeace.org/archive/Climate-Impact-Documentation-in-Norway--Svalbard-27MZIF4WNED.html
Climate Impact Documentation in Norway, Svalbard Greenpeace documentation showing that glacier “Blomstrandbreen” has retreated nearly 2 km since 1928, with an accelerated rate of 35 metres lost per year since 1960 and even higher in the past decade. In the image, view of climate campaigner Truls Gulowsen on a speed boat going to a mine in Longyearbyen.
Unique identifier: GP0STSCL6 Shoot date: 03/08/2002 Locations: Norway, Scandinavia, Svalbard Credit line: © Greenpeace / Christian Åslund
A bit more from the Guardian article:
Greenpeace activists visited the glacier last weekend on the Rainbow Warrior taking pictures from the same locations to highlight the effects of global warming, which the group says is a threat to the future of the planet.
The Blomstrandbreen glacier has retreated by one and a quarter miles since 1928, according to Greenpeace. It was shrinking by 115ft a year in the 1960s, a rate which has risen.
Recent studies carried out by US researchers and reported in Science last month said that 85% of the glaciers they examined had lost vast portions of their mass in the last 40 years.
Keith Echelmayer of the University of Alaska at Fairbanks, who has carried out research into Alaska’s ice streams and checked glacier thickness, said: “Most glaciers have thinned several hundred feet at low elevation in the last 40 years and about 60 feet at higher elevations.”
There’s a couple similar photos from 2022 posted to Reddit by the same photographer (meaning the same person posted these two, not that it’s necessarily the same person who posted the one above):
yeah but it’s much more colorful now. that’s good, isn’t it?
OP always thinks positive.
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people 107 years ago loved sepia filters.
And retro fashion.
Vvvintage.
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That…. Is fucking tragic. There’s no going back to that. Ever.
Oh it will be back. We won’t be. But the planet always bounces back.
Good luck, everyone. I genuinely hope you make it through as okay as you can.
Thank you. I’ll do my best regardless. Will you be joining us?
I’ll do my best, yes.
I myself asked “What time of year was the lower photograph taken?” Then I realized I was being dumb, because if either photo was taken in winter time, we would see at least some ice in the water, if not a very large ice sheet.
That, and it’d be dark. You’d need to pack one hell of a flash.
Well that’s fuckin depressing
Mother Nature: Dont worry humans, everything will be fine, life will go on. Your fucking this up for your self, and you wont be missed
Sure it was at the same time? Did the account for leap seconds?
It’s in TAI timezone
Revenge of the Titanic.
Notice the first guy is in a wooden boat and the second guy is in a boat most likely made out of some plastic-based fibers. 🤔
The plastic isn’t really a huge driver of climate change, the problems it causes are different.
For the climate change comparison, notice that the old boat has oars, but the new boat has a gas engine
Which is also a contributing factor to the obesity epidemic.
Far too many people are eating gas
It’s so calorie dense!
The boat in the old photo (from 1928, apparently) is casting a pretty good wake, and the man aboard is holding a tiller attached to a rudder. It’s impossible to tell for certain with the low-res image, but entirely likely that one of those shapes in the boat ahead of him is an inboard engine.
The old boat also has a motor, note how it’s still moving in the photo while the only person in it is in the back holding a tiller (and appears to be facing forwards).
the old boat has oars
Which no-one is using. It’s the first thing I noticed. There’s a man sitting in the stern with a tiller and rudder, but there’s no visible means of propulsion, no other crew. Weird.
Edit: I zoomed in, and it’s possible there is someone else in the boat, hard to see.
